Crossbow Skills - Most are not viable in Engame

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wolfy42#4073 wrote:

Woah, why are you calling for a nerf of tailwind? I agree, it's great. Ask for buffs not nerfs though man. I like tailwind the way it is. Nerfing it would blow, it's the best part of being a deadeye.

You can be a crossbow using deadeye if you want. Don't nerf tailwind!!

there is no point in playing anything else but ranger for bow/crossbow at this point in game.

the game is made "slower", movementspeed is obtainable only on boots or w/ queen of the forest - or tailwind. and since ggg decided to make moving the most important defensive stat in this game again, it is pretty much lightyears away from any other ascendency in this game. its just dumb

A little update from me, spent about 1div 20ex for gear and respecced out of all the electrocution nodes, having a blast now.

Stormburst - With pierce it slaps, becomes very easy to hit mobs within packs if you need to. The next step is getting more shock chance.

I also got a lvl 16 gem of every skill and tried some builds with other skills to see if I could get anything going.. gotta say they're terrible. The only thing that worked was frag rounds/explosive shot with ice walls but it doesn't feel great to require 2 ammo combo for everything.

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cortvermin#2636 wrote:

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ZeyroKJ#4714 wrote:

Addtionally, Ranger is more viable for Crossbow than Merc is.

this, but by at least factor 2 (x2).

projectiles? x2, next to each other
poisons? x2 all poisons

no point in playing merc, especially gemling

Gemling strength stacker is currently the "more money than sense" meta but uses quarterstaff not crossbow.

The obvious crossbow build is lightning not poison (well, grenades but poison grenade was the first thing that got nerfed), and there are projectile nodes in the str/dex part of the tree too, and the big damage bonus for crossbow is easier to path to from mercenary start than ranger

Extra projectile is worth less to crossbow than bow

But sure ranger is also totally viable for a projectile based weapon

forget high velocity. go with plasma. check the damage percentages.

Now stick an electrocute support gem on it; you nail them for 3500% damage AND electrocute them in place to get a second shot in if you need it.

oh, and if you put corrosive on your poison grenade and let it eat thier armor before you do that you probably wont need a second shot.

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cortvermin#2636 wrote:

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wolfy42#4073 wrote:

Woah, why are you calling for a nerf of tailwind? I agree, it's great. Ask for buffs not nerfs though man. I like tailwind the way it is. Nerfing it would blow, it's the best part of being a deadeye.

You can be a crossbow using deadeye if you want. Don't nerf tailwind!!

there is no point in playing anything else but ranger for bow/crossbow at this point in game.

the game is made "slower", movementspeed is obtainable only on boots or w/ queen of the forest - or tailwind. and since ggg decided to make moving the most important defensive stat in this game again, it is pretty much lightyears away from any other ascendency in this game. its just dumb

Initially deadeye was my favorite bow user.

Now it is my 3rd favorite.

Witch hunter is generally better end game and about as good throughout the game as deadeye is. You are very wrong about movement speed btw, there is an early armor wildsomething, that adds 10% to movement speed as well. You can get alot in the tree (think 40% as a titan?), and of course eventually you will have boots that add a decent amount.

Early on Deadeye added the movement speed I really needed cause I didn't have the armor and literally was running with 10% boots for like half of the campaign lol.

Over time I got better equipment, I run with the 10% movement speed armor through the campaign lol, and my boots deal with the rest (if I'm on the east side of the tree, I usually get 8-11% more movement speed at least as well).

Witch hunter btw not only has zelous inquisition that blows up everyone with a 10% chance per kill (so anything that kills multiple enemies per shot will quickly destroy the entire screewn) but has a concentration skill boost that does a more multiplaction of damage to everything you have done damage to already. In combo with decimating strike (you can't get all of them together unless you get decimating strike from your gloves), that means you basically do tons more damage to everything right away and in combo with plasma bolts (xbow in alt weapon slot) and emergency reload, you start fighting a boss with 40% or more of it's health gone, getting the full bonus right away. With the gloves you also get 24 additional weapon slot specific passive tree nodes, which lets you focus each weapon on different elements/stuns etc (or weapon types even).

Neither is the strongest bow user though, titan takes that spot, mainly due to hulking form (50% more from small nodes), and the insane number of attack/physical/two handed damage nodes by the warrior start. It also gets crushing blow and 40% more damage to heavy stunned enemies (which you can do REALLY easy with crushing blow and so many damage nodes).

So no, Deadeye does not need a downgrade at all.It's a great class to start with, especially till you get additional movement speed boosts, but it's not nearly as powerful as a few other ascendencies. It's in the top 5 but not the top 3, and certainly doesn't need to be nerfed especially since it's strongest points are early game, not end game.