Hard crashing PC locks up

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Pyroga#2822 wrote:

There is probably more chance that your hardware fails because of a power surge from your electrical outlet than from a hard freeze because the CPU goes to 100% on all cores and you have to hold the power button. Holding down the power button cannot harm your pc, it's designed that way. Even plugging out the cable shouldn't although it's probably more risky.
Having your CPU lock up for a few seconds before you reboot won't do anything. It can absolutely sustain that and high temps as well. Now if you leave it in that state for day, that's another story but "people with a brain" wouldn't do that, right?
Modern CPUs and MOBO come with built safeguards that prevent this, so it probably wouldn't even be possible.
If you're scared for no reason, please do and don't play the game, it's that simple, but don't spread misinformation.

Even 0.1% chance is too much for an issue like this. And chances are much higher than 0.1%, although still low.

"Holding down the power button cannot harm your pc, it's designed that way." I will tell you an important rule in engineering(and life in general): "A failsafe is not a feature." In this case the power button shutdown mechanism is designed as a failsafe for situations where the OS or system becomes unresponsive. It is not intended to be the primary or routine method for shutting down a PC. Using it frequently undermines the purpose of a controlled shutdown process.

Incompleteness of shutdown process interrupts system operations, which can interrupt critical tasks leading to data corruption. Even with modern file systems, an abrupt shutdown may leave temporary files or critical system configurations in an inconsistent state, requiring repairs during the next boot.

In mechanical drives, a forced shutdown could interrupt the normal parking of the read/write head, potentially causing minor wear. While rare, repeated occurrences could increase the risk of a catastrophic "head crash", a severe mechanical failure in a HDDs that occurs when the read/write head, which hovers right above the spinning platters, comes into direct physical contact with the platter surface. Since the platters are coated with a thin magnetic material used to store data, any contact with the head can cause permanent physical damage and data loss.

For SSDs, which lack moving parts, and rely on firmware to manage data, if a forced shutdown interrupts critical internal operations (like garbage collection or wear leveling), it could result in data loss or even firmware corruption.

There is also electrostatic and capacitive effects. The key here is "Charge Imbalance". Capacitors in power circuitry store charge. A sudden shutdown might not allow for controlled discharge, which could affect components over time due to uneven stress cycles.

Another problem you might encounter is with all-in-one (AIO) liquid cooling systems. In these the pump is responsible for circulating coolant through the loop. An abrupt power cut halts the pump's operation instantly, which can leave coolant stagnant in the system. Stagnant coolant may allow air bubbles that were previously suspended in the liquid to collect in the pump or tubing. When the system restarts, these bubbles can disrupt the normal flow of the coolant, causing cavitation (tiny air pockets in the pump), which manifests as unusual sounds like gurgling, grinding, or rattling.

In some other cases where the cooler was already on its last legs, if the liquid cooler contains any sediment or impurities, sudden stops could lead to clogging in the radiator or pump, potentially resulting in noise or reduced performance. I am mentioning this because there is a person in this very thread that was talking about "weird sounds" from his cooler so when I read that I thought about what might have caused it.

There is also how this crash is (supposedly) happening in the first place: 100% CPU utilization. This happens in a spike format. A sudden spike to 100% CPU utilization generates significant heat in a short period. If the system crashes at this point, the CPU may remain hot while cooling mechanisms (fans or pumps) that should have been dissipating heat are not functioning because forcing a shutdown stops cooling systems immediately. The residual heat can cause localized overheating, particularly in the CPU die (and Voltage Regulator Modules on the motherboard). Repeated instances increase the risk of thermal degradation.

The sudden power-off may induce transient voltage fluctuations, which can harm sensitive components like the CPU, GPU, or motherboard power circuitry. These components are especially vulnerable during high load conditions.

There is also the capacitor strain: The power delivery systems on the motherboard and power supply unit (PSU) experience increased strain during peak utilization. Abrupt shutdowns can exacerbate this strain, leading to shortened component lifespan.

For air-cooled systems, fans running at high speeds during 100% CPU utilization experience mechanical stress when stopped abruptly. Over time, this can degrade fan bearings or motors.

For any component that is already on its last legs, an event that would lead to shortened component lifespan might be the finishing blow.

And remember, this is not once in a while event, these crashes happen frequently, with short intervals(if one keeps playing the game after the crash and crashes again and again and again).

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Pyroga#2822 wrote:

And as always, just saying "use your brain" is not a valid way of proving your point. Bring some concrete evidence or remain quite.

I never said "use your brain" at any point. Are you sure you are not confusing people you are answering to?

Im not trolling this is real.

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cursorTarget#1174 wrote:

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NufPoD#2344 wrote:

use google, any guy who knows anything about tech at all can confirm this is the case lmao since when does a complete freeze to your system so bad that you have to force restart it not damage parts? maybe not the first 30 times but if you get really unlucky it can def yeet out some pieces. has happened to me before. ssd cooked.

please man lets use some brain cells here

U didn't read the next statement. We're using test stations for years in kms development. Bug checks or hang ups don't damage your parts but the power reset / ups (initial boot sequence) MAY or MAY NOT, depending on your hardware. Your ssd cooked because the controller or your PSU were so bad that it caused unrepairable damage.

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Clearly this is a issue on GGG's end.

Same question - how do you know? Do you know how user mode applications (ring 3) interacts with your hardware (ring 0)? Didn't you know they don't have direct access to the i/o ports and memory?

It has nothing to do with Windows. This has been thoroughly tested over and over again for nearly a decade now. It is not hardware or software dependent. This is a GGG issue. Stop spreading misinformation.

GGG should make a goal: "reach 250 pages for the next update on this thing, 300 pages for a twitter post, maybe 500 for a fix"

its like they are pretending the two threads do not exist

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cursorTarget#1174 wrote:

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Outdone#5601 wrote:

Im on windows 10, r7 5800x with a 7800xt, got to play for about 20 hours with some crashes throughout. Then 2 days ago after the patch I can't play at all it hard crashes my pc. I had this pc for about 2 months with no issues with any other game. Now after the crashes with Poe2 it seems like it may have damaged the cpu, I'm now getting pc crashes with any game I play regardless of cpu% usage. Like rocket league at 25% cpu and 60c crashes pc. Be careful people this may be damaging hardware.

You can't be serious unless you're trolling people on purpose.

Im not trolling this is what is happened to me

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Bryjoered#6055 wrote:

I don't think it's particularly likely that this will brick your PC. Just want to put that out there. I will say that I almost never in nearly 20 years of PC gaming have had a game that could not be force quit and forced a restart. For that to even be possible is pure incompetence from GGG.

Same here, I have waited since 7th for a patch while reading threads here and Steam Discussions.

Just requested a refund on Steam, sucks not being able to play but bricking componensts sucks more.

Same here ryzen 7 7800x3d, rtx 4070 S and hardlocks pc. Have a 40ms constant interent connection, never experienced heating issues as far as I know and just randomly happens. Just the other day during the boss fight against count geonor which was quite unfortunate. Will wait for an official update and or patch before starting the game again to protect the pc form any further damage (5 crashes so far)

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Outdone#5601 wrote:

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cursorTarget#1174 wrote:

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Outdone#5601 wrote:

Im on windows 10, r7 5800x with a 7800xt, got to play for about 20 hours with some crashes throughout. Then 2 days ago after the patch I can't play at all it hard crashes my pc. I had this pc for about 2 months with no issues with any other game. Now after the crashes with Poe2 it seems like it may have damaged the cpu, I'm now getting pc crashes with any game I play regardless of cpu% usage. Like rocket league at 25% cpu and 60c crashes pc. Be careful people this may be damaging hardware.

You can't be serious unless you're trolling people on purpose.

Im not trolling this is what is happened to me

Same exact thing happened to my buddy last night. Had the whole Discord of tech workers troubleshooting every possible fix for his CPU did nothing and he just keeps crashing idle in Windows now. Swapped to his old CPU and everything is perfect. Tons of posts of the same thing in this thread, the other thread, and Reddit. Another guyh in our Discord had the edxact same thing happen day 3 with his GPU. You can find reports of that in all the threads too. Always after this exact crash. Same thing bricked my old PC in POE1 awhile back. This has been falling on deaf ears for years now. Anyone who insists this sort of thing can't happen or has no risk is at best just too uninformed to even grasp how little they understand on the topic, or at worst just die hard bootlickers.

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GPython#5980 wrote:

It has nothing to do with Windows. This has been thoroughly tested over and over again for nearly a decade now. It is not hardware or software dependent. This is a GGG issue. Stop spreading misinformation.

U have no clue how the modern (and even older) operating systems work and interact with the hardware. People like you easy to trick to buy some trashy PSU or motherboard, or install "Top of the Best of the Best of the Best Windows" just for 200$.

Learn at least basics and you will see how the internal kitchen of your OS is complex. If the game freezes your entire system, then your operating system (and device drivers) are ALLOWING this to happen due to some serious and unusual interaction within its kernel/devices. I already dropped the links to the basics, find some time to read.

If you have some new and useful info - post it or send to GGGs e-mail but don't spread fake information here.

PS I forgot.
After hard crash use chkdsk.exe to check your system drive manually to make sure there is no data corruption on your system partition

chkdsk /f <system_drive_name>
for ex:
chkdsk /f c: