Settler's is definitely NOT for casuals

I don't think you get to decide what is casual and what is not. There is no set definition and the word means different things to everyone.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

I don't think you get to decide what is casual and what is not. There is no set definition and the word means different things to everyone.

1 - I don't get to decide, but I know how to read so I don't have to "decide" anything.

2 - There absolutely is a set definition. Words have meanings because that's how language works.

3 - If someone's personal definition of a word contrasts the definition written in the dictionary, THAT PERSON IS WRONG.

From the Oxford English dictionary:
Casual, noun.
a person who does something irregularly.
"a number of casuals became regular customers"

If you are spending more than an hour of your life every single day on the same activity, you do not have a casual engagement with it.

Spending what, having the client open while I am working? This already busts your definition

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Spending what, having the client open while I am working? This already busts your definition

It doesn't, because you let your hobby bleed into your professional life. That is definitely not 'casual engagement' with a source of media.

Haha... if you are playing while... youre supposed to be working then yea.... not only are you not a casual but you are doing something you are not supposed to be doing ^.^

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

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Johny_Snow wrote:

I don't think you get to decide what is casual and what is not. There is no set definition and the word means different things to everyone.

1 - I don't get to decide, but I know how to read so I don't have to "decide" anything.

2 - There absolutely is a set definition. Words have meanings because that's how language works.

3 - If someone's personal definition of a word contrasts the definition written in the dictionary, THAT PERSON IS WRONG.

From the Oxford English dictionary:
Casual, noun.
a person who does something irregularly.
"a number of casuals became regular customers"

If you are spending more than an hour of your life every single day on the same activity, you do not have a casual engagement with it.

By your definition, I'm not a casual player, far from it. But I've never played a map above Tier 10, never fought any of the "aspirational" enemies (not even ol' Atziri), don't use build guides, and am not swimming in Divs and such. I'm not a master item crafter, nor much interested in learning how.

From the Merriam Webster dictionary:

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feeling or showing little concern : nonchalant
a casual approach to cooking

I play for fun, I play slowly, and I enjoy it. I play "casually." =^[.]^=

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Raycheetah wrote:

I play for fun, I play slowly, and I enjoy it. I play "casually." =^[.]^=

How fast you do an activity or how much enjoyment you get out of it is not part of the definition of what makes something casual. How seriously you take it plays into it though for sure.

I.e. I also play slow and enjoy the game, but I'd never consider myself a casual as I complete even difficult and challenging content, go above and beyond to do my own builds and learn as much about the game as I can.

I think we can differentiate between how you approach a hobby from an attitude point of view versus how much time you pour into it. You can be deadly serious about a hobby you only practice for a few hours a month

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

I play for fun, I play slowly, and I enjoy it. I play "casually." =^[.]^=

How fast you do an activity or how much enjoyment you get out of it is not part of the definition of what makes something casual. How seriously you take it plays into it though for sure.

I.e. I also play slow and enjoy the game, but I'd never consider myself a casual as I complete even difficult and challenging content, go above and beyond to do my own builds and learn as much about the game as I can.

Re-read the rest of my post. =9[.]9=

was tired last night, did around 2-4 t16s normal (no mods).

dumped all the gold into my town.

estimated 20-30 minutes rent.

lol

all i have in kingsmarch running are disenchanters/miners/smelters/farmers.

i m not even doing mapping/shipping.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

From the Oxford English dictionary:
Casual, noun.
a person who does something irregularly.
"a number of casuals became regular customers"

If you are spending more than an hour of your life every single day on the same activity, you do not have a casual engagement with it.

From the SAME dictionary:
without care, not worried about, unimportant to you, not permanent

It is very easy to choose only 1 part of a definition to "prove" some kind of point. In this particular instance, the REST of the definitions go against the point you are trying to make about the term. Using the SAME source.

I usually agree with your points, but this was a very poor showing.

Casual is not defined in the context it is being used here, and a dictionary is not going to provide you with ALL contexts. For example: you could indeed be considered a "casual" player, or have a "casual" engagement with the game while playing an hour every single day........because the non-casual player might be spending 4+ hours every single day. By comparison, the person spending an hour is absolutely "casual".

Now suppose you compare the 1hr/day player with a 1hr/week player. The latter might consider the former to be non-casual. The outside 4hr/day player might consider both of them varying degrees of casual. They would ALL be correct. It depends on the context.

A definition is not the same thing as a "fact": language is used and created with meaning AND context, and you can't just willingly ignore context when talking about a word's meaning. This is a pretty central point to basic reading classes, SAT questions, etc. It's called "reading comprehension". How is this word being used here? What is the meaning in the context of the entire passage?

Its also the reason why, when you look at something like the Oxford English Dictionary, there is never a singular definition. There are always multiple uses and multiple meanings because context can shift what the "definition" is.



Let's try a totally different example: what is a newbie? Oxford English definition is "a person who is new to a particular environment or activity and has little experience, especially in using computers". But what does that mean for PoE? How about compared to checkers? Is a person still a newbie with 100 hours of playtime, 1000? What constitutes "new"? If you spent 10000 hours playing acts 1 - 10, never progressing into maps, would you still be a "newbie" at the game? What if you spent all that time going from lvl 1 - 20 with 10k different toons?

Definitions don't ever give you the whole story, and are wildly unreliable to look at outside of context. They give you the foundation, but don't supply the meaning. I don't see anything in your quoted definition, or the rest of the definitions that say a "casual" MUST spend less than x amount of hours per day/week/time period at an activity.

A casual is not the same thing as an apple: one is a concept defined by its context, one is a very specific unique "thing".