Players have less recovery is such a terrible map mod

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exsea wrote:

to those that say stuff like its a currency sink etc. i hear you.

BUT.

look at GGG's intentions.

map mods can be categorized under the following:

1. dangerous to players
2. makes enemies tanky
3. misc stuff that most players dont care and some that players purposely want to look for
4. virtually build breaking/neutering for certain builds (avoid ailments/reduced crit damage/reduced accuracy/reduced aura effectiveness)
5. build breaking for a huge number of players.

1,2,3 are stuff thats typically fair as it affects ALL players equally but not exactly build breaking. if you run a dangerous mod and you die, thats on you but it's not exactly build breaking and you still can complete the map somewhat albeit maybe requiring portals.

the issue comes with 4 and 5.

number 4 is still reasonable. it bricks the map for an arguably small portion of players but is still runnable by a large portion of players.

number 5 is something that i feel is something GGG should review.

why do i say that? before i go there i ll bring up "cannot be leeched" and "cannot regen" mods. either one can affect a very large number of players alone while having both of them is usually considered a brick.

but its actually still doable. you can still use flasks.

now when it comes to less recovery, i would say this affects 99.99% of players. its a total brick for almost the entirety of POE players.

especially with atlas passives that grant increased effect of map mods. you essentially gain 0 life/ 0 mana from any way except on kill or on hit effect like using thieves' torment.

i would say this is without doubt affecting a very significant portion of the playerbase.

this circles back to GGG and their intent. is their intent to make something intentionally bad for all players?

i would argue that this is actually an unintended interaction that GGG SHOULD review.

why would i come to this conclusion? blood magic. once upon a time, "Players use bloodmagic" was a map mod. this bricked the map for arguably most of the entire playerbase except for those who were already running bloodmagic.

it was effectively a dead mod. "no one" wanted that mod.

now we go back to the present. less recovery.

TBFH, less recovery is ONLY ANNOYING. its not game breaking. but that is if and only if it worked the way it did back 7-8 years ago, where 60% less recovery was just 60% less recovery. you still recovered your life and mana, just you recovered less.

the problem is that in todays day and age we tend to end up getting nodes on our atlas tree that boost map mods. these nodes and how they interact with the mod is what makes the mod a dead mod. we're not stuck at 60% less recovery, its more like "YOU CANT RECOVER SHIT".

so its a mod that is on par with blood magic.

thus i would request GGG to review this mod. you got rid of blood magic for a reason. come on lets get rid of this one too.

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Pashid wrote:

It's called currency sink, something every game has in one or another way.
If you don't like rerolling maps you could just roll a alc&go viable character which doesn't give the slightest care about any map mods

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Mashgesture wrote:

I dont see how thats an issue, roll past a mod that you cant do or have trouble with.

Not alien in this game at all.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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Mashgesture wrote:

I dont see how thats an issue, roll past a mod that you cant do or have trouble with.

Not alien in this game at all.

You can't reroll corrupted maps. Can we please stop using "reroll" as an argument when corruption scarabs and bad vaal orb rolls exist? And no, "just buy maps 5head" isn't a reasonable suggestion either. Unless they're occupied by guardians, you shouldn't have to trade for maps you need.

I understand the need to reroll a map if there's a mod that hard-counters your build (even though I don't like it), but this mod counters almost every build in the game. If GGG hard-capped it at 60% regardless of explicit node investment on the atlas tree, this would be tolerable.

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Mashgesture wrote:

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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Mashgesture wrote:

I dont see how thats an issue, roll past a mod that you cant do or have trouble with.

Not alien in this game at all.

You can't reroll corrupted maps. Can we please stop using "reroll" as an argument when corruption scarabs and bad vaal orb rolls exist? And no, "just buy maps 5head" isn't a reasonable suggestion either. Unless they're occupied by guardians, you shouldn't have to trade for maps you need.

I understand the need to reroll a map if there's a mod that hard-counters your build (even though I don't like it), but this mod counters almost every build in the game. If GGG hard-capped it at 60% regardless of explicit node investment on the atlas tree, this would be tolerable.

Op did not say it was a corrupted map.


How is this not true about reflect?

How is this not true for -max res?

-suppress?

What about the t17 modifiers?


I mean I could go on but again, this is not alien in this game.

Roll past mods you cannot do
Get a different map if its corrupted

Simple solutions for simple problems.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Just because they didn't mention corrupted on their map, it doesn't make my argument any less valid.

The difference between reflect, -max res, and -suppress is that it only affects a small number of builds at any one time. Meanwhile, -recovery affects just about every build in the game that isn't CWDT, CWS, or has some form of instant leech.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Just because they didn't mention corrupted on their map, it doesn't make my argument any less valid.

The difference between reflect, -max res, and -suppress is that it only affects a small number of builds at any one time. Meanwhile, -recovery affects just about every build in the game that isn't CWDT, CWS, or has some form of instant leech.