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People are asking how the hell others are making a killing this league!.
Other people then jump in and say, " we're making a killing, but we won't tell you how!".
Upon reviewing the builds of those people claiming to be making a killing, you know, to try to understand how they're doing it, their builds leave more questions than answers.
Then others jump in and act like they're playing 3D chess and claim " you're not engaging with the substance of their arguments!"
This substance supposedly coming from those saying they're making a killing without specifics and with incomplete builds!
There is no substance from someone saying "I make heaps" with a shit build and with no specifics. This is simply conceited flexing in a place where people are asking questions and seeking help.
I mean, look at my build, its a bit outdated now bc I quit 2 weeks ago but if you call that „incomplete“ you have a pretty high standard for in-league mapping. In my post I stated how I made my money (8 mod delirious beyond Ambush in Jungle valley, literally just pumping monster count and quantity up).
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Posted bystnikolauswagneon Aug 29, 2024, 2:20:58 AM
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You dont honestly think those 0% quality flasks are the ones he actually uses on a toon he did t17's on, right
if you check his challenges you will see that he did 0 t17's....
Not surprised you fell hook, line and sinker for it. I called y'all out for focussing on his person & account instead of engaging with substantive arguments, and you did it again. You really can't make this shit up lmao.
When the pot calls the kettle black...
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Posted byBaharoth15on Aug 29, 2024, 2:25:17 AM
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a true gamer with knowledge would have gear and currency and challenges by now, because he can craft his gear, farm a some strategy and challenges along the way, the rest are just buying gear or just selling their divines for real money, this thing is a very old thing
Or they don't bother to rush their shit since the league lasts 4 months anyways.
Especially this league with all the banger changes of the core game.
Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun. Last edited by Pashid on Aug 29, 2024, 3:17:48 AM
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Posted byPashidon Aug 29, 2024, 3:17:14 AM
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Same, Pashid. Spent a week in Heist farming for Replica Alberons and not progressing challenges at all. Not everyone races to the finish
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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Posted byArtCrusadeon Aug 29, 2024, 3:36:25 AMOn Probation
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But having bad flasks apparently means you are a bad player and cannot possibly be making bank
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Posted byJohny_Snowon Aug 29, 2024, 4:04:22 AM
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People are asking how the hell others are making a killing this league!.
Other people then jump in and say, " we're making a killing, but we won't tell you how!".
Upon reviewing the builds of those people claiming to be making a killing, you know, to try to understand how they're doing it, their builds leave more questions than answers.
Then others jump in and act like they're playing 3D chess and claim " you're not engaging with the substance of their arguments!"
This substance supposedly coming from those saying they're making a killing without specifics and with incomplete builds!
There is no substance from someone saying "I make heaps" with a shit build and with no specifics. This is simply conceited flexing in a place where people are asking questions and seeking help.
I posted a full guide on page 5 and the only response I got was someone whining about new players, something that could not be less related to T16 juicing strats.
I posted the same strategy a few days earlier in a different thread and the only response I got there was "I don't like the music that plays during delirium."
Explain that then.
Don't make it one-sided when it isn't. People don't want a solution, a fix or help. They want to incoherently whine and complain.
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Posted byScarletswordon Aug 29, 2024, 5:05:12 AM
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People are asking how the hell others are making a killing this league!.
Other people then jump in and say, " we're making a killing, but we won't tell you how!".
Upon reviewing the builds of those people claiming to be making a killing, you know, to try to understand how they're doing it, their builds leave more questions than answers.
Then others jump in and act like they're playing 3D chess and claim " you're not engaging with the substance of their arguments!"
This substance supposedly coming from those saying they're making a killing without specifics and with incomplete builds!
There is no substance from someone saying "I make heaps" with a shit build and with no specifics. This is simply conceited flexing in a place where people are asking questions and seeking help.
I posted a full guide on page 5 and the only response I got was someone whining about new players, something that could not be less related to T16 juicing strats.
I posted the same strategy a few days earlier in a different thread and the only response I got there was "I don't like the most that plays during delirium."
Explain that then.
Don't make it one-sided when it isn't. People don't want a solution, a fix or help. They want to incoherently whine and complain.
Yeah, if people were actually interested in doing better they'd ask for advice, or accept advice from "those darned elites" who are doing just fine, as always.
This league especially the game doesn't just randomly throw currency at you like Affliction did, so some thought has to be put into the strategy you pursue.
@hmcg: playing in a private league so I have little input on market strategies, but I'm making a "killing" in Heist. With a dedicated Heist speedrun toon you could turn big profit from experimental bases, currency drops and uniques.
Before that I was running a tree that primarily was focussed on rapid XP with all the map nodes, exarch, delirium and shrines, stacking map mod effect. Dropped a ton of currency and gold per map as well, which also translates to extra drops from map runners and shipments.
Before that I was running Destructive Play with map drops, farming up Guardians and T17s (which is also highly profitable in trade, as T17s are like 0.6 div each from my understanding).
However, what most people don't understand is that some builds are better at certain strategies than others. I.e. Legion can be hella good for currency but some builds just aren't cut out for it.
This is where player experience kicks in, and the primary reason why us "elite" players are doing well while newer players struggle. But that's ok, because they're still learning. Judging by this thread, some faster than others, while some even refuse. For the last group I have very little sympathy.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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Posted byArtCrusadeon Aug 29, 2024, 5:20:00 AMOn Probation
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People are asking how the hell others are making a killing this league!.
Other people then jump in and say, " we're making a killing, but we won't tell you how!".
Upon reviewing the builds of those people claiming to be making a killing, you know, to try to understand how they're doing it, their builds leave more questions than answers.
Then others jump in and act like they're playing 3D chess and claim " you're not engaging with the substance of their arguments!"
This substance supposedly coming from those saying they're making a killing without specifics and with incomplete builds!
There is no substance from someone saying "I make heaps" with a shit build and with no specifics. This is simply conceited flexing in a place where people are asking questions and seeking help.
I posted a full guide on page 5 and the only response I got was someone whining about new players, something that could not be less related to T16 juicing strats.
I posted the same strategy a few days earlier in a different thread and the only response I got there was "I don't like the most that plays during delirium."
Explain that then.
Don't make it one-sided when it isn't. People don't want a solution, a fix or help. They want to incoherently whine and complain.
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You unlike the other guy are actually trying to help is which commendable.
Everything you said is correct. But nothing of it is "easy".
Before attempting anything people must have a build that can do the farm and not be slow at it. Already not easy for a new player as there is more bait builds out there than there is functional ones. Making their own to function at acceptable level is magnitudes harder than find a non bait guide. So, not easy.
After that build they have may not be a bit for farming strategy they found which will lead to frustration. This is easy to avoid with knowledge, but knowledge is not easy to accumulate.
Popular endgame strategy may also be outdated due to league progressing into another stage. How does a new player with limited game knowledge avoid such?
I could continue but the trend must be obvious by now - everything hinges on game knowledge and it doesn't come fast or easy unless someone with very serious pedigree teaches you directly. If you don't have someone like that spoon feeding you only the best information and you are average on the uptake with working schedule you will spend many leagues or years before any of it becomes obvious to you.
People around here, who one way or another already made it past the hurdle have this shitty habit of stating "poe is easy" left and right. When in reality its more like:
POE IS EASY, IF followed by conditions that are anything but easy
so, if honest and without omitting anything:
POE IS VERY TIME CONSUMING AND ANYTHING BUT EASY
anyone claiming otherwise is just dismissing everyone's efforts, no matter where they are in terms of game knowledge, including their own, for some quick posturing looking for a cheap ego boost
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We should not seek to use this power to change those around us, no... This power is a means for us to change ourselves. To be reborn as Wraeclast intends us to be. - The Slaying of the Gods //Oshabi//
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Posted byCarpeDiem444on Aug 29, 2024, 5:20:22 AM
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People are asking how the hell others are making a killing this league!.
Other people then jump in and say, " we're making a killing, but we won't tell you how!".
Upon reviewing the builds of those people claiming to be making a killing, you know, to try to understand how they're doing it, their builds leave more questions than answers.
Then others jump in and act like they're playing 3D chess and claim " you're not engaging with the substance of their arguments!"
This substance supposedly coming from those saying they're making a killing without specifics and with incomplete builds!
There is no substance from someone saying "I make heaps" with a shit build and with no specifics. This is simply conceited flexing in a place where people are asking questions and seeking help.
I posted a full guide on page 5 and the only response I got was someone whining about new players, something that could not be less related to T16 juicing strats.
I posted the same strategy a few days earlier in a different thread and the only response I got there was "I don't like the music that plays during delirium."
Explain that then.
Don't make it one-sided when it isn't. People don't want a solution, a fix or help. They want to incoherently whine and complain.
Your guide is thorough and appreciated. It was unfortunately lost in the noise and I didn't go back far enough to see it. Great post.
Excellent contribution and exactly what the OP should hope for.
I'm struggling to come up with new goals to keep me playing this game.
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Posted byhmcg020on Aug 29, 2024, 3:23:40 PM
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So because people dont tell you how to generate loot, then that means loot is nerfed?
Because someone isnt decked out with BIS gear, then that means loot is nerfed?
I made over a mirror this league. I dont have anywhere near BIS on. I have an entire forum post telling you how much the gear is worth as well and how I crafted it. The flasks arent even rolled optimally look what I have on lmfao. Bro look at my fkin belts jewel I gave up rolling that fn thing.
Your "correlation" analysis seems to be completely full of inconsistent assumptions, as well as dismissal opinions.
The inverse of all of this is to blindly believe someone SAYING they have reduced loot and ... thats sufficient enough for you?
Why do you have such a high bar for proof of good loot but almost no bar for proof of nerfed loot?
Very odd.
I'm taking what people are saying and you're inferring from that a whole bunch of arguments and points I didn't make. I wasn't even referencing you at all, though I will now.
If someone says "I made over a mirror" in the space of 5~ish weeks from league start, is it that unreasonable for people to assume their build must be pretty decked out? Think about taking advice from someone that could lead you to invest days if not weeks or months trying their strategy; is it unreasonable to want to legitimise their strategy by observing proof of its success from profit, and its implementation via a decked-out build?
Conversely, someone states "I can make 150D a day but I won't tell you how" and their build doesn't inspire confidence. What are people to take from that?
Scarletsword posted an excellent guide which was short and sweet. If you did too, then that's also great. Hopefully OP can reorient and focus on either of them.
I'm struggling to come up with new goals to keep me playing this game.
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Posted byhmcg020on Aug 29, 2024, 3:39:16 PM
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