Farming for what?

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Baharoth15 wrote:
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ArtCrusade wrote:
Baharoth, I could link any item and you'd call that lucky. I have farmed up Apothecary cards in SSF myself for a Mageblood before and you'd call that lucky. Because you work from the ridiculous presumption that any big ticket item is just luck and think it impossible to be the result of dedication and hard work.

Now, to your claim:

You say you have played Path of Exile for 6 years.
1 year has 8,760 hours.
6 years have 54,560 hours.

Unless multiple means just two for you, that'd mean you spent more than 50% of every day playing Path of Exile without a "lucky drop" by your metrics.

Something doesn't add up, but I can smell the tomfoolery from a mile away. How'd spend all that time? Afk'ing in hideout? That'd explain how you have never found something noteworthy in your career.


I wouldn't call farming up a mageblood via apothecary cards lucky. Those cards can be targetfarmed and while they are rare it's still on a reasonable level. With enough effort it can be done. Mirror on the other hand?

I also never said that i haven't found anything noteworthy in my "career". I've got a bunch of uber drops that sold for near 100 divs as well as a HH so i don't really see myself as unlucky.

But you made it sound as if you can reliably drop (not farm mind you) a mirror every league with "effort" alone and sorry, i am not buying that.


Finding a mirror during campaign is lucky. Grinding out juiced T16 or T17 maps for weeks isn't. Calling something lucky takes away from the achievement of applying a method as a means of acquiring one. Even if the mirror didn't drop and was acquired through continuous grind of building a stack of divines big enough to afford one, it isn't lucky.

People are so laser focused on the end of the journey they forget about the way there and it's sad.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
There is a lot of complain about in this game, but grinding isn't one of them. It is an ARPG, grinding is literally in the name of the company that owns this game. While I agree this game is not casual friendly in any way shape or form, complaining about the grind is a bit silly.
I just love the arcady feel of rushing through the map, blowing up hordes of monsters and picking up shiny stuff. It's very zen to me. I don't care about getting rich, but when some currency accumulates I'll try to improve my character to blow up stuff faster and die less. It's OK to not like PoE or get bored of it, but there are obviously a fair share of people who like grindy games like this.
Different people play for different reasons. But one thing many people, for whatever reason, forget is that you don't have to play 1 game forever. I've been playing for over a decade, but with measure. This ensures no burnout, and enjoyment when you play. This is why people get bored an complain.

This league is about over for me. Reached level 94, that's 4 levels over my goal. Got 2 void stones; plenty for what I want. Blasted through Tier 16 maps for that dopamine rush. Tried Tier 17, failed, and discovered it's not my cup of tea.
Now I might do a map or two eventually for that itch, and then take a break and focus on other games or activities.

The game mustn't be a grind, unless you make it.

Last edited by lupasvasile on Aug 19, 2024, 6:30:34 PM
Achievements. Seems easier than farming for a Mageblood.

So this just dropped off a map boss lol:



Thanks Chris!
8 mod maps are the new alch and go.
Last edited by zakalwe55 on Aug 19, 2024, 11:34:09 PM
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The mirror is lucky, it has little to do with effort. No clue how many hours you put in this league but the fact of the matter is that i've been playing this game for 6 years now, easily several tens of thousands of hours and i haven't seen a single mirror or mageblood drop in all that time. Unless you can reliably reproduce this mirror drop every single league "with effort" and "knowledge" it's just you lucking out.



you definitely dont have several tens of thousand hours in just 6 years of playing the streamers like zizaran who play every league for like 500+ hours have only like 25k hours and they been playing since 2012 so you are obviously lying
Last edited by Gopstop22 on Aug 20, 2024, 4:21:59 AM
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Gopstop22 wrote:
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The mirror is lucky, it has little to do with effort. No clue how many hours you put in this league but the fact of the matter is that i've been playing this game for 6 years now, easily several tens of thousands of hours and i haven't seen a single mirror or mageblood drop in all that time. Unless you can reliably reproduce this mirror drop every single league "with effort" and "knowledge" it's just you lucking out.



you definitely dont have several tens of thousand hours in just 6 years of playing the streamers like zizaran who play every league for like 500+ hours have only like 25k hours and they been playing since 2012 so you are obviously lying


Calling upon this much experience is what's called appeal to authority fallacy where he tries to justify his position by lying about his experience plaiyng. It's transparent af.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
The game is a bit too short. It lacks an endgame. The question in the title is correct one.
Game must answer to question “Why farm?”
now the only arpg that have right endgame is (don’t open the spoiler unless you have solid mind)
Spoiler
Diablo Immortal - poor realization, but the endgame concept is great


PoE ends when I have a character that can speed farm T17.
I’m already speed farming it, can do almost every mod. 8k+ ES, but I can run with -def mod with 4k ES. I can clear Abomination (besides bosses) with 800 ES only.
Now what?

The game must introduce new bosses and new map tiers, up to T20. Or have a factions pvp.
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ArtCrusade wrote:


Calling upon this much experience is what's called appeal to authority fallacy where he tries to justify his position by lying about his experience plaiyng. It's transparent af.



Yeah yeah, i didn't do the math before writing that. Sue me if you need to. Doesn't change that you won't be dropping a mirror every league in SSF with effort alone, you'll still need luck. The fact that you seriosly compare farming up divines to buy a mirror in trade with dropping one in SSF just shows how disingenious you are. Do you have any actual arguments on the matter aside from nitpicking? No? Thought so. Then i'll consider this case settled.
Last edited by Baharoth15 on Aug 20, 2024, 5:28:13 AM
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Baharoth15 wrote:
Yeah yeah, i didn't do the math before writing that. Sue me if you need to. Doesn't change that you won't be dropping a mirror every league in SSF with effort alone, you'll still need luck. The fact that you seriosly compare farming up to buy a mirror in trade with dropping one in SSF just shows how disingenious you are. Do you have any actual arguments on the matter aside from nitpicking? No? Good then i'll consider this case settled.


Cheap attempt to back out of an arugment you lost by declaring yourself the winner. Again: transparent.

You started this whole sideshow because I linked a mirror to a guy who said grinding must be rewarding.

Therefore we can deduct that you think rewards like Mirrors are not worth grinding for, but the possibility of dropping a mirror is always present. Whether you think it is just pure luck or not doesn't matter for this to be true. Same for every other T0 unique drop, Divines etc.

The actual topic is what do you grind for, and if OP doesn't know that after playing for that many hours, I circle back to my first reply to the topic which was:

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Ok? Hope you find a game better suited to your taste then


Because sometimes that is the correct move if you don't enjoy the game you are playing.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.

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