A sixth map device slot

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Good to see you too hoho!

Oh btw my numbers were off, but not significantly. Here are some interesting ones to note below.

Also anyone that says the numbers from Steam don't matter or are irrelevant, are in total denial. There is nothing to indicate that Steam players behave any differently than PoE launcher players. It's the data. If a player starts and gives up 10 hours into campaign, that's relevant data, and means something. I have no idea why anyone with any sort of credible logic would discount that. We all know, including GGG, that PoE is new player hostile. I think it's incredibly important to show the more elite PoE players how truly isolated they are in the big picture.

Your vibes and feels, while you are entitled to them, don't change the reality of the PoE experience.


Open a map - 16%
Fully clear the Altas - 3%
Socket 4 stones - 3%

A few boss stats just to give an idea, but all are about the same, in the low single digits.

Shaper - 4%
Atziri - 3%
Eater - 6%
Elder- 6%
Sirus - 3%

Kill brutus - 51%
Complete act 10 - 14.8% but 16% opened map?

I'm curious if over 60% ever passed character creation screen, because it is a free game overall, you can download it, start it, turn it off and remove because arpg is not your jam, or you want to play whatever else you was interested more in... So I have no clue how someone could find those numbers credible. And 14.8% finished A10, but 16% opened a map? Doesn't this show you that data might be incorrect? More people opened a map but less people could even do that?

Even d4 devs mentioned in one of their podcast that most players quit before level 50. Some people finish story, and are done with the game. Even game they paid 70€, so why would it be any different with free game?

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Oh btw my numbers were off, but not significantly. Here are some interesting ones to note below.

Also anyone that says the numbers from Steam don't matter or are irrelevant, are in total denial. There is nothing to indicate that Steam players behave any differently than PoE launcher players.

The steam numbers don't account all the accounts not playing the game anymore since years or players who've played the game long ago before certain content even existed yet alone all the throw away trade and farm not accounts.
It's just a percentage of all steam accounts with playtime.

So on fact they don't provide any useful details about the current existing playerbase and how many players do maps or boss fights yet alone much at all as steam players aren't the only people playing the game. Lol

It's all relative, just like any game on Steam, even those that are free to play. Their concurrent player figure includes all kinds. Those that try and leave, those that are returning, bots, anything you can think of.

If a player tries this game because it's free, and they don't like it, that's expected. If a player tries the game and only gets through Act1 this season, but completes the campaign later or the following season, that counts, it's an account achievement. I think it's completely relevant to know what sort of percentage of players sticks, where they hit the impasse, why they quit, and all sorts of things. All those data points matter.

Again if someone wants to discount Steam fine. Then we agree to disagree. Steam is widely used by Developers, Gaming Journalists, and players from other games as a signal for performance. If that doesn't suit whatever narrative that a person wants to present, do your thing. I simply do not care about emotions and feelings here.

Is the Steam data it perfect? Of course not. Is it irrelevant hogwash? Don't insult people's intelligence.

I stopped playing on Steam in favor of standalone years ago, and when I briefly installed it back when I had my PC repaired, all my "new" achievements finally registered on Steam.

Steam achievements really tell you nothing, Darth.

Disagree. We can leave it at that. Nobody is convincing the other quite frankly, so there isn't any reason for us to go back and forth. Someone is gonna get probated over an emotional debate about data on Steam, which, is dumb.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Is the Steam data it perfect? Of course not. Is it irrelevant hogwash? Don't insult people's intelligence.

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Nomancs wrote:

And 14.8% finished A10, but 16% opened a map? Doesn't this show you that data might be incorrect?

And math not adding up doesn't struck you?
Anyway, can you at least tell us since when we have which steam achievement for PoE?

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Disagree. We can leave it at that. Nobody is convincing the other quite frankly, so there isn't any reason for us to go back and forth. Someone is gonna get probated over an emotional debate about data on Steam, which, is dumb.

It's not a matter of looking at the same facts and disagreeing on how to interpret them, Darth. You are looking at fuzzy statistics that are greatly diluted by the F2P business model, after a decade worth of updates and new content and taking them at face value, versus pointing out the obvious (which is that the numbers have no value).

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DarthSki44 wrote:

There is nothing to indicate that Steam players behave any differently than PoE launcher players...

I agree - but that wasn't my point at all.

You seem hellbent on defining every player that has ever touched PoE as a "PoE player", which is delusional. Every semi-popular F2P game has a HUGE flow through of players, some stick, some don't. Is that because "PoE is new player hostile"? Maybe.

PoE 2 is changing A LOT, and seem to somewhat focus on bringing new players in. Do you actually think that PoE 1 should make heaps of changes to do the same, or do you think they should make more effort into respecting and targeting their core player base with their changes?

Which brings us to: What's the percentage of REAL PoE players (players that play and like the game) reaching the 5th and 6th slot stages of the game? Not Steam numbers, counting every Jimmy that has ever launched the game, but actual PoE players? That was my point; your numbers are irrelevant as to how good/bad this change is for PoE players.

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Phrazz wrote:

You seem hellbent on defining every player that has ever touched PoE as a "PoE player", which is delusional. Every semi-popular F2P game has a HUGE flow through of players, some stick, some don't. Is that because "PoE is new player hostile"? Maybe.

Oh cmon. Maybe?

That's not even a honest ground to start a conversation from. It's not "maybe". Mark even verbally said so on the last livestream. They know it is. Let's at least find common ground here on that. There is nothing wrong with admitting what everyone knows and has experienced.

And I'm not hellbent on anything. The is no official certification process to qualify you as a "player of PoE", so stop trying to make one up, or discount someone's experience with the game. If individual "x", sees the game, thinks it looks interesting, and tries it, they ARE a player. I don't care how long it lasts, they played the game.

If they quit because they didn't like it, it was too hard, it was poorly explained, their PC ran it like shit, or whatever the reason is, it's all valid. Again maybe you disagree, which is fine, but I'm not under some delusion, so stop with that.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

And I'm not hellbent on anything. The is no official certification process to qualify you as a "player of PoE", so stop trying to make one up, or discount someone's experience with the game. If individual "x", sees the game, thinks it looks interesting, and tries it, they ARE a player. I don't care how long it lasts, they played the game.

If they quit because they didn't like it, it was too hard, it was poorly explained, their PC ran it like shit, or whatever the reason is, it's all valid. Again maybe you disagree, which is fine, but I'm not under some delusion, so stop with that.

Considering people that barely downloaded the game, launched it, starter creating character and decided that arpg is something they not rly want to play today, and go play BF or FIFA, then few days later uninstalling PoE - considering such players as "PoE player" and data is a stretch, to say the least.