So was this not a NERF over All?

My Mates Doom and gloom over this believes it a massive NERF.

Loss of enchantments Helm, Boots and gloves.
Loss of quality on Gems for replacement of lesser Enchantments from lab.
Alterative gems GONE.
Mana Res way less now and ashes of star killed.

Having to wait om GMP's

Tried to tell him there more ascendency points and new Gems but how do i explain it.

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Dont even bother. If someone sees patch that is probably the biggest meta shakeup we ever had in 10+ years of history of this game and all he sees is "they are nerfing me!" discussing with such person is just waste of time and energy.

There are almost no nerfs at all. What ever skills had a nerf, those nerfs have been pushed to new transfigured gems, which no one has seen yet for most of the new gems. RF nerf is what ever, because it will still be strong early game, and weak late game without significant investment. At which point you could then swap to a transfigured version which will likely be similar to the original. A lot of the gems straight up got their best alternate quality gem stat added to the base gem. Minions took a slight hp nerf, to get most of it added back into the base minion stats. Then there's also the minion life support gem, which also likely has transfigured version, which will push you close, or above the amount they had originally.

In the grand scheme of things there are objectively no real nerfs here. Especially considering the 2nd ascendancy we will all be able to get. We have got exponentially stronger over all. Some of the quality stats that base gems now have are straight up broken.

When the transfigured gems get added into the equation, its all buffs.

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Waycoolozs wrote:

My Mates Doom and gloom over this believes it a massive NERF.

Loss of enchantments Helm, Boots and gloves.
Loss of quality on Gems for replacement of lesser Enchantments from lab.
Alterative gems GONE.
Mana Res way less now and ashes of star killed.

Having to wait om GMP's

Tried to tell him there more ascendency points and new Gems but how do i explain it.

Tell your friends to learn to read honestly. Loss of quality and nerf to ashes? What? Quality was buffed on most gems, some of them massively. Arc for example is +1-2 chains from quality, which is 30% more damage single target. Bladefall as another example is +1-2 volleys from quality. These beat the pants off alternative quality. Then transfigured gems are mostly meant to be more upgrades. The small change to reservation efficiency on ashes doesn't compare to the massive bonuses of quality it now provides. One of the new lab rewards also adds quality to gems, getting your main skills to 20% will probably be even easier than before.

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Anscendant wrote:

Friend, we are talking about min-maxing Level 100 characters farming heist for alt qual gems, then boosting the quality with Ashes + Enhance 4. Then Enchanting Helm/Boots/Gloves/Belt. All things that I don't think you fully understand the scope of. A lot of alt quality gems are now gone.

As an example, you can go to my character page and look at Angeling, my aurastacker and look at all the alt quality gems. Those just went poof.

Let me know which part of "more damage" is confusing for you. Losing a few percent of additional damage on your anomalous aura's doesn't mean anything when the base quality on gems is now often a significant more multiplier. The buffs this update are pretty substantial, even without looking at the transfigured gems which are largely meant to be better.

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Check out the new gem qualities, many are up to 30% MORE damage, vs something silly like 10% increased.

Also the new ascendancy trees seem like a fairly large power boost, I would guess from what we have seen so far, 40% more damage, more survivability, and utility is a reasonable outcome.

Transfigured gems will be keys, you can guarantee some will be flat broken and probably the new meta will be something that slipped through testing.

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Example: Blight: Quality now provides +0.00-0.80 seconds to Base duration, instead of 0-10% increased Area of Effect.

Because it is to base duration (not just more duration), this is a flat 40% more damage in most cases (unless you had over 200% increased cast speed and no interruption in casting).

i think this league will feel very good, because the new ascendancy classes


but next league, when those are gone, you might feel like shit :)