so wich ascendies gonna be reworked in next league?

do I need to say saboteur again?

saboteur rework was one of the biggest Ls of all time. most of the trap builds just died with the removal of perfect crime as it was their main dps ascendancy, pyromaniac not being directly allocatable made tremor rod unusable because you now have to take demo specialist to take it, which is simply worthless for blastchain mines

and for some reason everything on sabo is about aoe, automatically making it meh for stuff like lightning trap

sabo has 5% representation, 88% of which are hexblast players. because hexblast with high-impact mine support is pretty much the only thing that works on saboteur after the rework. we know that hexblast mines are getting nerfed, so sabo will be dead after this league

this was all predictable and easy to solve, but once again ggg is needlessly stubborn with their design choices, and instead of simply adding some new ascendancies to a class, they replaced the good ones (yeah seriously bring perfect crime back) to create an archetype no one ever asked for

they did the same thing to chieftain and guardian later. it's as if they're systematically nerfing each class one by one under the ruse of "expanding their options" or "fixing their problems"

what happened to class identity? what's the class identity for guardian right now? yeah, three free auras. that's it. and chieftain? some explosions and free melding. big. can't even play totems on the class that's meant to be the go-to class for attack totems, because hierophant, and even ascendant is better for attack totems. you guys are memelords. if you want to nerf classes this badly please at least start with the ones that are actually good

I've posted dozens of suggestions, new ascendancy options and stuff to fix saboteur but apparently ggg thinks it's fine when 88% of the players use the same skill on a class

I hear ppl will riot if gladiator isn't touched.

personally, my last berserker build was RF in 3.0 so I'd buy that for a dollar.

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Rikku wrote:

Really hope it's scion, 75% are absolute garbage

Pretty much. I get what they were going for, having the Scion as the Jack of all trades, but they made her ascendancy pure garbage. Instead of "Jack of all trades, master of none" it's "Trash of all trades, master of garbage".

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lupasvasile wrote:

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Rikku wrote:

Really hope it's scion, 75% are absolute garbage

Pretty much. I get what they were going for, having the Scion as the Jack of all trades, but they made her ascendancy pure garbage. Instead of "Jack of all trades, master of none" it's "Trash of all trades, master of garbage".

didn't GGG removed scion prom poe 2? since its was failure and they cant even fit hear in poe 2 anymore

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anti4z500 wrote:

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lupasvasile wrote:

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Rikku wrote:

Really hope it's scion, 75% are absolute garbage

Pretty much. I get what they were going for, having the Scion as the Jack of all trades, but they made her ascendancy pure garbage. Instead of "Jack of all trades, master of none" it's "Trash of all trades, master of garbage".

didn't GGG removed scion prom poe 2? since its was failure and they cant even fit hear in poe 2 anymore

Probably one of those "good on paper, bad in practice" type of things. It was a good call, the class always felt awkward.

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lupasvasile wrote:

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anti4z500 wrote:

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lupasvasile wrote:

Pretty much. I get what they were going for, having the Scion as the Jack of all trades, but they made her ascendancy pure garbage. Instead of "Jack of all trades, master of none" it's "Trash of all trades, master of garbage".

didn't GGG removed scion prom poe 2? since its was failure and they cant even fit hear in poe 2 anymore

Probably one of those "good on paper, bad in practice" type of things. It was a good call, the class always felt awkward.

Scion/Ascendant is just bad implementation. Simply giving access to existing Ascendancy Notables would have been better. Or doing something generic. Not lots of low-invest "random gibberish".

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auspexa wrote:

88% of which are hexblast players

I'm just cherry picking this out to say that this is automatically a giant redflag for a problem. I honestly felt Hexblast was a vastly superior skill prior to its rework, they then made it have just about the worst cast point of any spell yet gave it huge damage with what amounts to no actual setup to repeat it.

So of course it immediately ended up on proxies only where its completely busted. We'd love a spell with a 10s cast time we could bypass too with 1000000000% effectiveness. I can't believe that GGG actually went along with it its such an obvious flaw to walk straight into.

Sorry random rant aside I do feel Sabo's rework was particularly poor, but i'd have a hard time saying whether i thought Sabo or Chieftain was worse. Sabo could be fixed with some numerical tweaks or changing the node ordering even (or replacing the boring area node with something less lame).

I don't think it will be either, we are stuck with those now for the forseeable future. Glad and Assassino are my guess and frankly as bad as Sabo feels for some setups now i'd still prefer the former. Glad was ruined and left ruined for years now.

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Zrevnur wrote:

Scion/Ascendant is just bad implementation. Simply giving access to existing Ascendancy Notables would have been better. Or doing something generic. Not lots of low-invest "random gibberish".

leting ascendant pick 1 keystone from selected ascendancy would be ideal.

or just give her 3 ascendancies like everyone else say:

specialist: ascendancy related to buff jewels effects

gemling: ascendancy related to gems

generalist: ascendacy with stats and skill points

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caboom wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

Scion/Ascendant is just bad implementation. Simply giving access to existing Ascendancy Notables would have been better. Or doing something generic. Not lots of low-invest "random gibberish".

leting ascendant pick 1 keystone from selected ascendancy would be ideal.

or just give her 3 ascendancies like everyone else say:

specialist: ascendancy related to buff jewels effects

gemling: ascendancy related to gems

generalist: ascendacy with stats and skill points

Not bad I like this

Chieftain would see more love if they...ehm would "rework" Juggernaut...ehm, hehe

Ascendancies all across the board would see more love if they would "rework" Deadeye ;P

Yeah well and buff Gladiator and Berserker along the way i guess...Not sure about Assassin, i played Seismic Trap Assasin. It was very good for a league start focused on destructive play in sc. But that might just be because Ex/ST is just that good still...