Most skill gems are unusable without specific gear

Sure, if you slap it on totems, it will then work. While original form of the skill cannot compete with skills which already are more comfortable out of the box, and you won't have to spend support slots to alter their core mechanics first.

Also, to consider specific builds a proof of concept, costs of those builds should be listed too.

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Echothesis wrote:

Also, to consider specific builds a proof of concept, costs of those builds should be listed too.

Bro woke up and determined that every skill needs to perform the same, no matter their mechanics, meta, current league content and no amtter what budget you're on

Sorry, I cannot take you seriously

Maybe I formulated poorly, when you use snipe for bleed or spell for totems, imo you already play with totems/ailments. And totems/bleed is the build, not original skill gem.

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Echothesis wrote:

Maybe I formulated poorly, when you use snipe for bleed or spell for totems, imo you already play with totems/ailments. And totems/bleed is the build, not original skill gem.

But you cannot dismiss those cases because they do exist. PoE is not a game where you will or even should be able to do everything with anything. Its a game where you pick the best tools for given task. Not everything must be equal or even viable on its own.

explody totems in crucible didnt exist it seems.

seismic slams didnt exist

recently not so sure but the most stupid i saw would probably be ts that now you can league start it seems. or is it lightning arrow the worst offender.

as for melee, well some of them have double aoe damage like boneshatter/wildstrike with inate aoe and splash on tree. but i wouldnt put bonezone in the same category, just pointing out you have double aoe. (not double dmg in all situations given the interaction of splash and the little aoe of strike skills)


could compare those skills to maybe tectonic slam ?



anyway, ggg like the balance that way. been that way since i started playing (ultimatum) and also before it seems. they really like the concept of bad skills and league starters for some reason.

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kuciol wrote:

But you cannot dismiss those cases because they do exist. PoE is not a game where you will or even should be able to do everything with anything. Its a game where you pick the best tools for given task. Not everything must be equal or even viable on its own.

They do exist, and they still prove my point. I said "should", not "must". If developers are interested in attracting more players, they should at least try to provide a use for every skill they add to their game.

Blissfully cool guys above all said how they made all skill work by first twisting them beyond recognition. Thus they admit that original form of skill is not worth using on its own. Totems do ideally timed channeling for the player, target for the player, absorb damage for the player before dedicated defense skills and mitigation layers, and give player time to run like a headless chicken while the damage does itself.

By then, only thing left from original skill gem is its name, if you target your passives at damage type and totem modifiers, you can swap that skill without changing the build.

Same goes for dots, if you add massive dot to your every hit and aim passives to scale dot, original skill becomes just a delivery vector, and you choose it based on aoe/projectile cover.

Finally, even "flagship" dot builds like EA ballista or poison SRS utilizing scaling off totems/minions numbers are still capped at 35M dps by the engine, while hit/crit builds go into hundreds of million dps. Admittedly this matters little for mapping since everything will be dead in both cases, but matters a lot for delve and its infinite mob scaling.

And this situation goes on for years, if GGG likes it as it is, their choice, I was merely saying why it was not ideal choice in my noob opinion.

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Echothesis wrote:

And this situation goes on for years, if GGG likes it as it is, their choice, I was merely saying why it was not ideal choice in my noob opinion.

Many skills are used in their basic form. It is players who find (and break) game mechanics with new interactions and that is a part of the beauty of Path of Exile's build complexity. Just take a gander at the build of the week series

Your outlook on game balance is incredibly boring and reductive

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And this situation goes on for years, if GGG likes it as it is, their choice, I was merely saying why it was not ideal choice in my noob opinion.

Actually, it should be the customer's decision. And you can't change the taste of the food in a restaurant after ripping off money for an overpriced order...

I tried out a lot of skills and for me it was a clown show... how can it be that so many things don't work and are absolutely pointless...?[/quote]

If you don't play your own game (and maybe even hate it?!), why not just listen to players??? because that's the only way to avoid going bankrupt...

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Your outlook on game balance is incredibly boring and reductive

As said to you before, if you like poe as it is, I am happy for you. Having to repeat same proxy framework "insert a skill here" builds, and same defense stacking framework every league can also be called boring, glad it works for you.