Performance Problems after 3.21.2b on low end pc

Laptop with:
- Intel core i7 6700HQ 2.60GHz
- RAM 16GB Dual-channel DDR4 1064MHz
- 4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M, (also has Intel HD Graphics 530, this is not used for poe)
- 500GB SSD
- Windows 10 Home 64-bit

I have tried all recommended solutions:
- Pack check
- Updating windows
- Updating GPU drivers using GeForce Experience
- Full fresh reinstall of the game
- Deleting config file.
- Checked Im within minimum requirements, which i am. Heck GPU is better than minimum when compared to requirements from https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3072628
- GPU comparison: https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-GTX-650-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-960M
- Tested various combinations of graphical settings:
____- Everything on low
____- Dx11, Vulkan, Dx12(this gives the best performance, but has occasional spikes to 100% GPU out of nowhere, so something is making it Unstable)
____- Capped fore and back ground fps to 30
____- Windowed mode with 1280x720
____- and more, and etc, and fiddling continues endlessly

Problem Description:
Prior to the first of the series of patches leading up to 3.21.2b, I had managed to fiddle the game settings low enough to where by gpu was running at a stable 34% usage on the GPU, with the expected spikes during combat.

After patch, the GPU usage is unstable, and significantly increased. Average usage is 50% on the GPU, with spikes going to 95% when using a single skill in the wrong spot in hideout. (See Test Below)

Additionally the CPU spikes to 80-100% when loading areas, which ill asume is a different problem all together. Switching to dx11/vulkan/dx12 has some effect on this loading

POE Particle/lighting Performance Test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFPkdf6oFf4

Conclusion: Game is in an unplayable state on a machine that is above minimum requirements, with a build that speficially is optimised for low end, and while using lower resolution than recommended for minimum specs. This is due to the exessive strain put on the GPU.

The Poe2 lighting/particle effects appear to be the main culprite, as the more of any effect on screen is displayed the exponentially worse the GPU's performance becomes as seen in test above.

This issue cannot be resolved from the player side.

P.S.
Came back to poe after quitting the game in 2020, about 1 week before this shitshow, fiddled the pc to work, got back into buildplanning, and made it to level 7 the sunday before the first patch. FeelsBadMan.

Ill asume heist league was the first time poe2 particle shitstem was introduced, as the current problem is pretty much the same issue that made me quit back in 2020. Had a good 3 weeks of fun back then on self cast desecrate+ detonate dead before heist league, and then after the desecrate effect got changed, the skill became unusage due to its new terrible performance(which seems to never have been fixed btw).

I optimistically wish you the best of luck fixing this, which you will surely need, given Exilecon showed the poe backend being a hardcoded spaghetti ball, and Visual effects guy from day 2(https://youtu.be/XE3MAFGDzWw?t=3633) explaining how the more cascades he does the cheaper they get, which sounds cool and is probably true, but when put to practise clearlymakes the GPU shit the bed.

Lastly, coming back made me consider getting some of the new specialised stashtabs... but why bother when the game doesnt work.
Last bumped on Dec 10, 2023, 6:47:48 PM
Hey, I've got the same config as you and I'm experiencing roughly the same issues. Last time I played this game was in June this year and it ran fine, 1080p medium/low stable 60fps locked. Now I returned for Affliction league, just started this morning and it's crashed 5 times in addition to worse performance. I've dropped everything to low, 900p windowed and still barely hitting 20fps in town and 40fps in zones. Had to turn on dynamic resolution to hit 60 and that basically runs at the lowest resolution possible. It's so blurry but I can manage playing it except for the fact that it still crashes even at these settings.
Really hope something can be done to remedy this.
Last edited by Ifeanyi on Dec 10, 2023, 7:10:01 AM
I have kept up to date, but tbh havent bothered booting up the game. Given the test, I did a few months ago, which might be intersting for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFPkdf6oFf4

Its likely them have simply been replacing the old effects with the new ones system wide in preparation for poe2 since 2019. Which is really bad if true, as it means it will take just as long to remove the shit particles again, asuming their backend is as hardcoded as it seemed from exiling con.

So yea, sadly i predict the problem will only grow more and more as they keep using this "new improved tech" for more and more lighting purposes.

Best advice at this point, is to dump your pc stats here, along with the rest of us, https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3407216
Once the problem becomes big enough, they will have to adress it, instead of all the silence we are seeing. Also dont waste money on a new pc, if you look over the thread, the issue hits far and wide.

Shrug and play some last epoch in the mean time lol, thats what i have been doing. The visual could be better, but the qol is several leagues ahead of poe.

Cheers.
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POPTOP wrote:

Best advice at this point, is to dump your pc stats here, along with the rest of us, https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3407216
Once the problem becomes big enough, they will have to adress it, instead of all the silence we are seeing. Also dont waste money on a new pc, if you look over the thread, the issue hits far and wide.

Cheers.


Thanks for the links and yea, a new pc is not on the cards for me for the foreseeable future so that's not happening lol. I looked around some more and saw something about disabling sound from the config file, tried that, still crashed.
So yea I'm done, I quit. Not gonna let this game break my laptop with constant BSODs. Shame cause I was hyped to get back into it after the recent poe2 trailers. Guess I'll check back in with the next league, see if it's fixed.
Well, back to Warframe.

Cheers.
Last edited by Ifeanyi on Dec 10, 2023, 5:31:06 PM
No worries man, and same tbh, these pc specs is still good enough for the vast majority of games, even if on the lower side. Tried more solutions than i could count back in juli, ultimately not worth the effort if you need to spend more time trying to get the game to work, than playing the game.

Yea I get it, and lol funny you mention warframe XD, waiting for the wispers myself.

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