Beware of The Forbidden Trove - Discord's Negative Influence on the Path of ExIle
" ...Or the lack of restrictions. I can more or less guarantee you that easy bulk access to X, Y and Z is being viewed as something you should not have access to without "serious effort" by a lot of people over at GGG. Access that would be more or less impossible via "intended trading interactions". "Oh, I want to buy a million Heist blueprints". Should you be able to? Would you be able to without TFT? Not without putting serious time into trading. So GGG needs to figure out what they want. Do they want the precious "open/free economy" where everything goes? Fine, then give us the tools. Do they want certain things to be (more) restricted? Also fine, but then they should restrict it - and not "gate it behind TFT". Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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" That's what I dont fully understand though, on the friction side. The effort is in obtaining the tradeable item, why pass it on to the buyer when there is an agreed upon exchange value? (RMT aside) On the pyhsics of the trade itself, totally agree. The player trade mechanic itself isn't gated, its finding the trading partner (TFT steps in). They are applying the friction disproportionate to the looting, while simultaneously emphasising how important trade is to the economy and player progression. (Game is balanced on trade) I've said it a million times, the trade manifesto is wildly outdated, and doesn't make sense in today's PoE. They can still honor their desgin philosophy, whether I agree with it or not, and still adapt, or make it more applicable to the player expectations now. They don't have to sacrifice much here, in order to improve the player experience without tools. I'm still not quite sure what they are afraid of in this context, and they have some data on how trade works currently, with TFT in place. So in the end, way too much shoulder shrugging or feigned ignorance from GGG imo. Edit: memes aside as well with one guy working on trade. Why CW said this is just as confusing as the reality of it being true. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on May 25, 2023, 3:48:26 PM
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" And how about banned people that are not even blacklisted?   Don't you think it's odd that i have that much vouches with only 22 posts? Better yet, where am i in the blacklist?  Short answer: the baby dick mods banned me for even mentioning Belton, as he did to thousand others. They are a vital part of effective PoE trade experience (thanks GGG), run by incels with delusions of grandeour. If that's the kind of people GGG wants to be associated with, fine by me, but don't tell me it's "enjoyable" to work under a dictator ship. Ruthless should be [Removed by Support]. Last edited by AdRonZh3Ro#4713 on May 25, 2023, 3:59:01 PM
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Yeah, that's why I don't even dare talk shit about TFT mods. It's quite the opposite, I have nothing good to say about them.
Actually, I BLOCKED them on discord because I dislike them so much. I'm still an awakened provider. Last edited by HwtChirino#2462 on May 25, 2023, 4:11:27 PM
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Not just TFT, trading in PoE has a very negative influence on the game itself.
With the abysmal drop rates, the best way to 'play' the game is not to play the game but play the trade where you make enough money to then, ... trade for items you want. Or invest that money into the crafting/gambling simulator. At this point, PoE is not a game; it's a gambling and trading simulator. |
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" Trade is just one way to play the game. It's the "fisher price league" to quote a funny streamer, which happens to be the most popular mode. Everything that counts goes on in ssf. You are not forced to grind the market, it just happens to be what a lot of players get satisfaction from, but it's not ''the best way to play the game". That is subjective. Last edited by Strickl3r#3809 on May 26, 2023, 4:55:33 AM
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" I would agree it was subjective if the game wasn't objectively balanced on player trade. Unfortunately it is in all modes. So no, it's not subjective, you are already at a disadvantage. That's a fact. If you don't engage in trade, in any amount, you a gimping yourself. Now people that play SSF accept this, because they have no choice. Saying you are not forced to trade is obviously true, as long as you add the point that if you don't you are penalized, or just plain not smart. If you are the "step on me mommy" type, and no kink shaming, Ruthless is always there too. You can't blame people for just wanting to play solo without getting shafted. But here we are. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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" I even said I have nothing against TFT. I do use it occasionally like buying maps in bulk. As for your "13th most used discord over the world" claim, I'll have to press F on that one, especially when all you have to show is a screenshot with no context. Look, I get what you're saying about profit, but you can do without TFT just fine. Not everybody needs mirror levels of currency on their stash. So no, it's not as essential as stuff like POB, Ninja and stuff like that. |
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Yeah, there are several "ifs" that need to be checked off before anyone can claim that TFT is "mandatory".
To do ALL content, TFT is far from "mandatory". Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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Until the trade site allows Searching some items like sextants in bulk - TFT is the answer.
All GGG has to do is add "amount" to the trade site in the trade options One sad Exile
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