Expedition is too mandatory

im not exactly ask to nerf expedition, just remove the boring hideout warrior part from it. Move this currency reward into Tujen logbook itself.

And yes other league mechanics need to be better on the baseline so exped is not that much ahead of anything else. Breach is laughably bad after the 'rework', even fully invested with gilded scarab it barely drops any splinters.

Checked my atlas tree and Trade Embargo is still on. Guess it's not mandatory.

Expedition is just the new chaos recipe. After you get your char going, there's plenty of strategies that give far better currency, the best mechanic of all being crafting, if you know how.

Expedition loot is in a pretty good spot. Is it better than most other systems, on a per-encounter basis? Of course it is. It also takes significantly longer. If the average expedition DIDN'T give twenty times the loot of an average strongbox, it wouldn't be worth running and I'd block it on my Atlas (hello, Blight).

Expedition (and Heist) are good examples of how GGG view the relation between 'tedium' and 'rewards'.

But I've seen people this league farming their HH through Blight. Personally, I'm doing Legion and I'm having a blast (and I'm having no trouble with currency). I wouldn't touch Expedition (or Heist) with a ten foot pole, mostly because I burned myself out on Expedition in Expedition league.

Legion and Blight is great. Especially if you play a spellcaster and put a passive skill point into this "meme mastery" that opens up chests when casting spells.

This really shoves off time per map. Your efficiency is measured in maps per hour and to increase that you usually have to increase DPS. So you can treat this mastery as a DPS increase cos your maps per hour go up with it.

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Phrazz wrote:

But I've seen people this league farming their HH through Blight.

A decent amount of 'bosskillers' farm their initial gear through blighted maps because of how easy it is while not requiring a lot of mobility or any gear at all.

Personally I prefer map boss rushing and scarab hunting which is how I got my Mageblood this league again. In general mechanics with targeted loot are still way better than everything else. Another example are vaal temple boxes with wandering path.

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Strickl3r wrote:

Is Breach really that bad? If i get splinters from Tujen they sell almost instantly for the normal market price according to trade site. Can't image that it is not good money with a Sextant mod and some juice. maybe just boring to sell splinters for chaos all the time dunno, no dopamine maybe that is the problem?^^

Currently it’s more effective to get splinters and other breach items from anything other than breach. I spec’d into it early but when I averaged 2-3 splinters per ring I quickly got out of it. They definitely went too far. I’ve run 3 breachstones this league, which is not much I’ll admit, but none of them dropped breach related items - not even a blessing. The mechanic rework is fantastic, it feels great in maps, but the loot nerfs went too far IMO.

Expeditions have to stay because I think the game is currently balanced around it, especially with a league mechanic that does not drop currency. I think GGG is counting on many players running expedition at some point in the league. That or heist. I am also burned out on expedition since I did it last league so I did heist this league.

Yes everything else should be brought up to the level of expedition.

It already got nerfed when Prophecy was removed and Exalts changed.

I find it's mostly being held up by Challenges. I spec'd into Blight for the first time in a while and get a Div ever 2-3 Blight maps while farting gold oils. If anything Heist is the one I love to hate. Doesn't take much Atlas investment but a lot of Rogue investment and you can't really avoid it.

Ritual takes a ton of Atlas investment and it's just not great. 2nd time trying it.
Breach is a waste of time. I'm tempted to give Metamorph another go.

I'd say both Blight and Legion are better for the investment. Delirium stands out cuz it doesn't really require much investment for extra loot. If you're going Simulacum that's another story.

Harvest shit out divs after divs with a fraction of the time required for Expedition to work and yet here you're complaining about it? CAN WE HAVE SHIT IN WRAECLAST ANYMORE?