[BUG] Kinetic Blast COC Fireball with Nimis bug, details inside

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sivagorn wrote:

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Mark_GGG wrote:

I don't see anything here that definitively appears to be a bug.

Fireball's projectile explodes only in the case where it can't continue onewards - this is not new. Fireballs that hit a target and split, pierce, fork, chain or return do not explode. That was the case before 3.21 and is still the case. Fireball's explosion is the projectile itself exploding, it can't do that and also continue on.

In the video with the boss, the returning projectiles are travelling through the boss, which would indicate they're piercing it, which is why they don't explode there. IF there is no pierce on the projectiles then something else is happening, but the non-pierce case seems to be working correctly for me in-game.

The Kinetic Blast projectile itself never explodes, but it creates explosions randomly around it each time it impacts something/stops moving, regardless of whether it continues on with one of the afformentioned behaviours.

Returning projectiles have never technically collided with the player, but previously the distance they returned was limited to the maximum projectile range, so if they reached that range, then returned to the same place there were fired from, they'd run out of range and stop there (forking, chaining, and moving while the projectiles are in flight could all mess with this so it wouldn't always be on the player). This was never specifically intended, it just happened as a consequence of how returning was originally implemented when it could only happen from a target. This was changed in 3.21 so projectiles which return can tavel a distance equal to the maximum projectile range plus the distance from where there start returning to the location the returning is aimed at (usually the caster's location). This is intentional.

The Kinetic Blast projectile creates explosions not like 3.20 because 3.20 is explosions around my character(all explosions will around my character like in video) but 3.21 it's not working correctly so we think it's a bug because some explosions is far from character.(patch note did not have kinetic blast change so we think it's a bug) please check my friend video (you will see all explosions only stay near character)

this first video show 3.20 KB explosions (all explosions will stay tight around character)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO1Xb90_e2g&ab_channel=M4DC4T

this second video show 3.21 KB explosions not a same as 3.20 because explosions is very far from character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhgZ62Nju4&ab_channel=TheSivagorn

you said that in patch notes and or in FAQ that Kinetic Blast is not change but it's not the same as 3.20 and our build is broken.
"Kinetic Blast does not itself explode, it causes explosions around when it impacts something, this is still the case." <<< but it's not the same as 3.20
*Bug is Kinetic Blast is NOT functioning the way it should, and it is significantly altered as a result.(like my second video)

this build in 3.20 can kill uber searing very fast(need high price craft and items), but in 3.21 damage is lost around 70%+ and can't kill any uber even in 10s. it's a very huge nerf? me and my friends created this build for fight uber boss but now it's already broken and he spend a lots of currency to build, this is fair for players? this is not a little nerf,because damage is very weak on single target even i changed all skills tree to damage. i feels it's not fair and i dont understand why need to huge nerf on this.

sorry for my english and thank you for answered Mark.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

I don't see anything here that definitively appears to be a bug.

Fireball's projectile explodes only in the case where it can't continue onewards - this is not new. Fireballs that hit a target and split, pierce, fork, chain or return do not explode. That was the case before 3.21 and is still the case. Fireball's explosion is the projectile itself exploding, it can't do that and also continue on.

In the video with the boss, the returning projectiles are travelling through the boss, which would indicate they're piercing it, which is why they don't explode there. IF there is no pierce on the projectiles then something else is happening, but the non-pierce case seems to be working correctly for me in-game.

The Kinetic Blast projectile itself never explodes, but it creates explosions randomly around it each time it impacts something/stops moving, regardless of whether it continues on with one of the afformentioned behaviours.

Returning projectiles have never technically collided with the player, but previously the distance they returned was limited to the maximum projectile range, so if they reached that range, then returned to the same place there were fired from, they'd run out of range and stop there (forking, chaining, and moving while the projectiles are in flight could all mess with this so it wouldn't always be on the player). This was never specifically intended, it just happened as a consequence of how returning was originally implemented when it could only happen from a target. This was changed in 3.21 so projectiles which return can tavel a distance equal to the maximum projectile range plus the distance from where there start returning to the location the returning is aimed at (usually the caster's location). This is intentional.

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IrishRoyal wrote:

Additionally:

From the Q&A:
Will Nimis projectiles return even if they hit nothing?

In most cases, yes. A projectile which flies out uninterrupted to the maximum projectile range will return instead of just stopping there. But returning, like piercing/chaining/etc, does not extend how long a projectile can exist. If a projectile lasts for an explicit duration like Spark, or fades out over a fixed time like Freezing Pulse, it stops existing after that and can't then return.


What are the implications of the changes to the way projectiles return to you for both Kinetic Blast and Fireball when used with the Nimis Ring linked with fork? Do they still explode on walls and your character, and on contact with fork?
Nimis changes from "Projectiles Return to you at the end of flight" to "Projectiles Return to you". This means projectiles will return if they collide with a target and don't pierce/chain/fork/etc from it, where before they would not have done so.


Kinetic Blast does not itself explode, it causes explosions around when it impacts something, this is still the case.

How is this still the case if it's functionally different to how it was pre 3.21
Or am I missing some undocumented change?