OH BOY, THE NERF HAMMER WILL COME HUGE

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Echothesis wrote:

but a job of designer it to make sure that this "most optimized" was like 10% - 20% stronger than the next, not 10 times stronger at it is here now.

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Echothesis wrote:

But is that so surprising that there are also many people who don't like that?

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raics wrote:

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Xzorn wrote:

The concept doesn't even make sense regardless what they plan to do.

A "Balance Manifesto" aka explaining your changes to players is factually good for your game.
Good patch notes do both at the same time and doesn't need to be a separate thing.

What's worse is going 100% radio silent only 10 days into a league like this one.
We're talking about communication right? Every notable problem gets no response at all.

True enough, but I kinda get where they're coming from, the past few manifestos have been a shit slinging contest. They didn't accomplish their main goal of making players less angry about the changes you're doing in the slightest.

So, it's one of two things, either they really aren't doing much that would make players unhappy, or they are and have judged that a manifesto will do more harm than good. It's kinda like a prayer for the dead, if they were decent people they don't need one, and if they weren't then prayers won't help.

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Xzorn wrote:

That's not what it's for though. Regardless of player response, it's used to communicate the reasons for changes and the overall goal of a large change. Good patch notes manage to do this at once.

The fact they feel a need to make some lengthy separate explanation kinda shows their terrified of their own community. They probably should be currently because they're made a mess.

Examples:
- Blacklisted Nullify from EUO mod random skill generation. This is too strong a skill to be added randomly to NPCs
- Shield's Up restore value increased to 125% from 100%. This was not synced to other shield skills in an earlier patch when Shield armor values were decreased.
- Mirage Arrow's Shadow clone will now 100% aggro the target you hit with the skill for the first turn. This is in response to it's increased cost.

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Orbaal wrote:

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Echothesis wrote:

While it is true that negative feedback is not always adequate and argumented and containts actual suggestions on what they should have done instead, but community reaction to manifestos is merely symptom, not a problem. Problem is how GGG handles balance, regardless of amount or quality of feedback.

... But something tells me that instead of surgically fixing that specific synergy, GGG is going to nuke whole poison archetype...

Id argue the problem is the massive gap between what players expect GGG to do and what they can do given their schedule while also generating profit.

Surgically fixing this one synergy is going to have some sort of impact on other parts of the game no matter what, which then also need to be fixed surgically and those fixes will impact something else, creating a cascading and never ending wave of issues that need to be addressed surgically.

Even IF they ever achieved "surgical" precision balancing across the board, it would only mean they cant introduce anything new anymore because it would disrupt or destroy the delicate balancing.
It would essentially render their business model unsustainable, why would they even want that to begin with?


Im not saying they cant do a better job.
But the term "surgically" is laughable given the context. Thats never going to happen and everyone expecting "surgical" solutions will always be disappointed.

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raics wrote:

Sure, I know it isn't supposed to be used for damage control, but that's what it ended up as. Especially unfortunate because it can look pretty messy when your release schedule is so hectic so a few weeks before next league devs don't remember what they ate for lunch anymore, let alone if change X is still a good idea now that Bob changed Y yesterday and they can be somewhat related in certain situations.