Monster Mods FAQ

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Trymax wrote:

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de_Prolitie wrote:

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heil_mods_ wrote:

Definitely some good changes, finally. Now I just hope that the modifiers won't be as deadly in T1 maps as they are right now, and the difficulty is pushed towards red maps in favour of smoother progression early on.

This "im forced to roll MF" outrage is hilarious tho, you 'forced' to juice and MF and play in a 6-man group to enjoy the game these days I guess. I don't think so.

Thats not the issue for me personally.
Alot of people follow meta's or are slaves to what a steamer does.

For me its seeing my correlation between what my character can do vs what rewards i get for doing harder content.

The whole im forced to run MF is a phrasing of a misunderstood concept.
Nobody ever forces you to do anything in this game.
The reason alot of people are upset is because they dont see a relative increase in reward towards the progression and difficulty of their character.

Party play was always in a strange spot and i personally never favoured the huge increase in quant or rarity that gave.

But you cant say that a solo player that has a character that is weaker in all aspects but runs faster should get more rewards then a character doing tier 16 max juiced content just because they get more chances of getting lucky rng combinations.
That feels bad dont you agree?

I don’t really agree with everything you said. If for you "make money" is just alch and go maps then yes you make money. If for you, you just need a build that can make the T16 and you are not looking for the optimization of a character, zero goal, then yes it’s good for you. That said, it’s not objective, it’s your personal reasoning, nothing else. Currently, the game contains of absurdity, that the AN mods ( which will change, I hope in good the next league ), and the general drop rate. Because if for you to have 99% explosion loot is blacksmith’s it’s a good drop, it’s that there is a problem of understanding on your side... Currently without god touched, farming is uninteresting in every way. Whether it is the general drops such as currency, cards, or unique ones. Currently any farm whatever is associated with god touched. Because without these, you’ll NEVER be profitable no matter what kind of farming you do. For the majority of players, have to farm 10h, to have 1 div max of the hour, with a lot of times AN overboosted buttocks, that’s anything but fine. That was the result in alch and go before. The idea of a goblin currency is not at all a good idea, especially since it requires you to priviligized rarity and a little quantity, something that is ABSOLUTELY not possible to all builds, not to mention that only 3% of the skills gems are used on the existing +of 100, because there was nerves on nerves totally unjustifiable for many skills. The same goes for farm techniques. Before you had almost all farms possible and you were still profitable, now on the 60th or so I know, for having tested them only the farm understanding god touched works, and those without god touched, it’s harvest and gasoline ( and again for essence it is not the insane, the AN are over boosted ans sometime impossible to kill him if you dont have an build strong.)

the generalization of the atlas tree, then the reduction of the rate of drop, then the exa to divine change, make that among all the league mechanics that brought a little bit, is currently poor in profitability. Whether it’s a 6-man player or not. If you are still not convinced, I propose you to do deli 20%, on maps 100quant minimum, 35% pack size, with scarab, and you put breachs, abyss, harbinger only. and you will see that you will NEVER be profitable, which was not the case before. As a comparison. Before I farmed tower for the nurse, I made myself about a nurse all three maps ( pretty provided, 60% deli, hunted traitor, 4x harbinger powerfull sometime, 100% quant, 35% pack size, more unique, abyss ). Doing the same for the map the patiens ( spoiler, to have the nurse ) I dropped, with the same scarab and setup, about 2-4 the patiens per maps. Currently I do about, 1 nurses every 15 maps ( I specify with exactly the same setup as before and the same build so CoC nova with only 30 quant, 350rarity ), and for the patiens, it was 1 patient every 5 maps. Knowing that if you didn’t go for god touched farming, you were never profitable. Before I was just profitable, I made about 50% profit on what I invested. Now, I am losing every time, or I absolutely have to follow the meta farming map, which includes the possibility to play only 3 leagues mechanics not fun in the long run, among the +16 available. It’s sad, it’s an observation, objectively, we can’t, and we don’t have the right, to say that it’s good, it’s neither diversified nor fun, because of the slim possibility of being able to make few correct build for this kind of farm, and the very slim possibility of varied pleasures from one mechanical to another. Personally, I don’t want to be the "dog dog" that does what works, because it works.

I want to play breachs, abyss, harbinger, delirium and beyond, if I invest in it, I’ll always lose. Something that wasn’t before. Since the league breachs came out, I always put a party to see my entire farm in it and I was profitable, not over profitable as on the meta farm, but profitable. Harbinger has literally become insignificant, beyond what I’m not talking about. That’s a fact, that’s all. If you like to be a dog and follow meta farming, so much the better, I encourage you, as long as you enjoy it. But if 90% of the league’s mechanical content is almost insignificant in terms of farm, and that’s only 9% that works by the magic of goblin explosion currency, and 1-2% where you have only a mechanical on the at least +60 available before that works, So no, it’s not a good balance. Add to that the nerve of the general drop, and we have the perfect combo.

To make the game 2 weeks and then limit rage exit, because it would take too much time in "no brain" mode for min max your personal with non meta farming. In your opinion, why recently after a month they had never reached one of the lowest rates of players playing on the game? It’s not "just for the sake of the small trifle," just so you know.

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bounchanhv wrote:

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

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That's the issue really, you feel the game should be designed around your wants, while other players feel it should be designed around theirs.

The thing is GGG have literally just created a special game mode for people like you, who feel they have mastered the normal game and that they need more challenge, and yet you insist that everyone else should suffer alongside you.

Go play Ruthless and just accept that you don't get to dictate the state of the game for everyone.

It is funny to see because the last year has been catering towards the people that have been complaining and crying about clear speed meta and crafting mechanics from back when the game was at its best and most enjoyable, but the moment ONE backtrack, just ONE happens and will probably be overshadowed by a mountain of nerfs coming up, those same people are screaming about the game going back in the other direction.

volcano what you said is so spot on man.

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Trymax wrote:

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de_Prolitie wrote:

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heil_mods_ wrote:

Definitely some good changes, finally. Now I just hope that the modifiers won't be as deadly in T1 maps as they are right now, and the difficulty is pushed towards red maps in favour of smoother progression early on.

This "im forced to roll MF" outrage is hilarious tho, you 'forced' to juice and MF and play in a 6-man group to enjoy the game these days I guess. I don't think so.

Thats not the issue for me personally.
Alot of people follow meta's or are slaves to what a steamer does.

For me its seeing my correlation between what my character can do vs what rewards i get for doing harder content.

The whole im forced to run MF is a phrasing of a misunderstood concept.
Nobody ever forces you to do anything in this game.
The reason alot of people are upset is because they dont see a relative increase in reward towards the progression and difficulty of their character.

Party play was always in a strange spot and i personally never favoured the huge increase in quant or rarity that gave.

But you cant say that a solo player that has a character that is weaker in all aspects but runs faster should get more rewards then a character doing tier 16 max juiced content just because they get more chances of getting lucky rng combinations.
That feels bad dont you agree?

I don’t really agree with everything you said. If for you "make money" is just alch and go maps then yes you make money. If for you, you just need a build that can make the T16 and you are not looking for the optimization of a character, zero goal, then yes it’s good for you. That said, it’s not objective, it’s your personal reasoning, nothing else. Currently, the game contains of absurdity, that the AN mods ( which will change, I hope in good the next league ), and the general drop rate. Because if for you to have 99% explosion loot is blacksmith’s it’s a good drop, it’s that there is a problem of understanding on your side... Currently without god touched, farming is uninteresting in every way. Whether it is the general drops such as currency, cards, or unique ones. Currently any farm whatever is associated with god touched. Because without these, you’ll NEVER be profitable no matter what kind of farming you do. For the majority of players, have to farm 10h, to have 1 div max of the hour, with a lot of times AN overboosted buttocks, that’s anything but fine. That was the result in alch and go before. The idea of a goblin currency is not at all a good idea, especially since it requires you to priviligized rarity and a little quantity, something that is ABSOLUTELY not possible to all builds, not to mention that only 3% of the skills gems are used on the existing +of 100, because there was nerves on nerves totally unjustifiable for many skills. The same goes for farm techniques. Before you had almost all farms possible and you were still profitable, now on the 60th or so I know, for having tested them only the farm understanding god touched works, and those without god touched, it’s harvest and gasoline ( and again for essence it is not the insane, the AN are over boosted ans sometime impossible to kill him if you dont have an build strong.)

the generalization of the atlas tree, then the reduction of the rate of drop, then the exa to divine change, make that among all the league mechanics that brought a little bit, is currently poor in profitability. Whether it’s a 6-man player or not. If you are still not convinced, I propose you to do deli 20%, on maps 100quant minimum, 35% pack size, with scarab, and you put breachs, abyss, harbinger only. and you will see that you will NEVER be profitable, which was not the case before. As a comparison. Before I farmed tower for the nurse, I made myself about a nurse all three maps ( pretty provided, 60% deli, hunted traitor, 4x harbinger powerfull sometime, 100% quant, 35% pack size, more unique, abyss ). Doing the same for the map the patiens ( spoiler, to have the nurse ) I dropped, with the same scarab and setup, about 2-4 the patiens per maps. Currently I do about, 1 nurses every 15 maps ( I specify with exactly the same setup as before and the same build so CoC nova with only 30 quant, 350rarity ), and for the patiens, it was 1 patient every 5 maps. Knowing that if you didn’t go for god touched farming, you were never profitable. Before I was just profitable, I made about 50% profit on what I invested. Now, I am losing every time, or I absolutely have to follow the meta farming map, which includes the possibility to play only 3 leagues mechanics not fun in the long run, among the +16 available. It’s sad, it’s an observation, objectively, we can’t, and we don’t have the right, to say that it’s good, it’s neither diversified nor fun, because of the slim possibility of being able to make few correct build for this kind of farm, and the very slim possibility of varied pleasures from one mechanical to another. Personally, I don’t want to be the "dog dog" that does what works, because it works.

I want to play breachs, abyss, harbinger, delirium and beyond, if I invest in it, I’ll always lose. Something that wasn’t before. Since the league breachs came out, I always put a party to see my entire farm in it and I was profitable, not over profitable as on the meta farm, but profitable. Harbinger has literally become insignificant, beyond what I’m not talking about. That’s a fact, that’s all. If you like to be a dog and follow meta farming, so much the better, I encourage you, as long as you enjoy it. But if 90% of the league’s mechanical content is almost insignificant in terms of farm, and that’s only 9% that works by the magic of goblin explosion currency, and 1-2% where you have only a mechanical on the at least +60 available before that works, So no, it’s not a good balance. Add to that the nerve of the general drop, and we have the perfect combo.

To make the game 2 weeks and then limit rage exit, because it would take too much time in "no brain" mode for min max your personal with non meta farming. In your opinion, why recently after a month they had never reached one of the lowest rates of players playing on the game? It’s not "just for the sake of the small trifle," just so you know.