So, it's late league now, anyone able to **Spoil** something for me about Kalandra??

So as far as I understand it there are 2 Kalandras, the true one and the reflection created by the lake. You can distinguish them from the colour of the eyes when you meet her, one has fiery red eyes and the other one blue eyes.

What I think has happened is that Kalandra entered the lake and was duplicated, but her double is the exact opposite of her. One wants to help you and the other one wants you to get away, and tbh I am not entirely sure which of them is the "good" one.

It is also mentioned that Kalandra sometimes leaves the lake but blacks out and does not remember what happens outside, then she finds herself back in the lake again.

What I think will happen in the future, if this storyline is further developed, is that we will discover that Kalandra has to sacrifice us (the player) to get out and maybe we will have a "shadow Link" fight somewhere down the line, but probably not before POE 2.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

The entire 3.19 league scope was small, very small actually.

There were some voice lines, a reflection mechnaic, and then generic tile sets. That's all.

I'm not 100% sure, as I'd have to look back more carefully, but I'm fairly confident in saying this was the weakest, most thin league content wise in many many years, if not ever.

The sad thing is that Kalandra is a major character, and many people had hype around what this could mean lore wise.

To say, oh it's a bird with a couple voice lines that flies away, and that's all, is a massive disappointment.

I mean are you deliberately forgetting about last league? Sentinel had nearly ZERO substance. An item to merge two items together, and another item to juice a pack of mobs that you ran into while in a map.

Or hell, ritual? Some map spawns where you fight more mobs.

Let's see... Ultimatum... Some map spawns where you fight some mobs, and a single extra boss arena.

I get it, you hate LoK so much you're on the forums every single day, but your bias is pretty obvious at this point.

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Xyel wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I'm not 100% sure, as I'd have to look back more carefully, but I'm fairly confident in saying this was the weakest, most thin league content wise in many many years, if not ever.

But yes, Kalandra having about as many lines as Tujen has been rather disappointing.

She has more lines if we actually follow the archive texts in the lake, where we find out she is some primordial being at least. That said, what is especially disappointing about the text is that she talks about her plan to escape but it never materializes or talks about how it should happen, just that she'd take advantage of visitors like us to enter the realm. But with our actual interactions with her she's just spouting her random lines or being angry at us and duplicating enemies.

For such a long touted lore figure she certainly came off lacking.

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Bleu42 wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

The entire 3.19 league scope was small, very small actually.

There were some voice lines, a reflection mechnaic, and then generic tile sets. That's all.

I'm not 100% sure, as I'd have to look back more carefully, but I'm fairly confident in saying this was the weakest, most thin league content wise in many many years, if not ever.

The sad thing is that Kalandra is a major character, and many people had hype around what this could mean lore wise.

To say, oh it's a bird with a couple voice lines that flies away, and that's all, is a massive disappointment.

I mean are you deliberately forgetting about last league? Sentinel had nearly ZERO substance. An item to merge two items together, and another item to juice a pack of mobs that you ran into while in a map.

Or hell, ritual? Some map spawns where you fight more mobs.

Let's see... Ultimatum... Some map spawns where you fight some mobs, and a single extra boss arena.

I get it, you hate LoK so much you're on the forums every single day, but your bias is pretty obvious at this point.

I think Kalandra is just judged more harshly because bits and pieces of her had been around far longer, and her mirror itself is one of the biggest chase items since it was introduced. So what we ended up with Lake of Kalandra league just feels underwhelming given that Kalandra could have given more in terms of lore since there was hype behind Kalandra finally making her entrance, if you've followed discussions from before Kalandra has been a figure that many have wanted to learn more about and interact and her league itself even before was something many liked to conceptualize (given her lore and the potential uniques that could be matched with that).

Could be that her Lake is a part of the giant "dead tree forest" - Atlas the Envoy mentioned.

She is as far as it can be another Eldritch entity that somehow got in contact with humans millennia ago and made them kill themself after knowing some sorts of "truth" (and whatever it means).

Nah I am pretty sure the part of the folks killing themselves was unscripted and just hinted at in the reliquary scarab but I doubt writers have thought a lot about this supposed terrible secret of the lake, so terrible that a bunch of people committed mass suicide to keep it a secret. I do not even believe Kalandra is an eldritch entity since she does not mention either the Elder or the other otherwordly creatures.

What I think is that Kalandra was one of the original inhabitants of Wraeclast even before the first human civilizations and she discovered the lake sometime in a distant past, then returned a couple times but since time flows differently in the lake several eons had passed and her whole race had disappeared in the meantime. There is a Japanese story very similar to this one about a fisherman named Urashima Taro who goes underwater to live in a magical kingdom where time does not work the same way as it does on land and when it comes back all people he knew have been dead for centuries. Maybe that was an inspiration for Kalandra.

The story goes, Urashima Taro receives a gift to bring with him, a small coffer that he must never open. Desperate for losing all the people he knew he opens the coffer which apparently contained all of the years he did not age, so in an instant Urashima Taro becomes a very old man. Maybe (and I am totally inventing here) also the story of Kalandra is similar, in the sense that she could leave the lake but if she did she would age thousands of years in an instant, therefore she must find a way to escape the lake and not die of old age.

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TheFazzos wrote:

What I think is that Kalandra was one of the original inhabitants of Wraeclast even before the first human civilizations and she discovered the lake sometime in a distant past, then returned a couple times but since time flows differently in the lake several eons had passed and her whole race had disappeared in the meantime. There is a Japanese story very similar to this one about a fisherman named Urashima Taro who goes underwater to live in a magical kingdom where time does not work the same way as it does on land and when it comes back all people he knew have been dead for centuries. Maybe that was an inspiration for Kalandra.

The story goes, Urashima Taro receives a gift to bring with him, a small coffer that he must never open. Desperate for losing all the people he knew he opens the coffer which apparently contained all of the years he did not age, so in an instant Urashima Taro becomes a very old man. Maybe (and I am totally inventing here) also the story of Kalandra is similar, in the sense that she could leave the lake but if she did she would age thousands of years in an instant, therefore she must find a way to escape the lake and not die of old age.

The concept you mentioned appears in several stories. One of them being about a viking called Thorgal who fell into a glacier after being chased by wolves. He wakes up in some kind of paradise where he meets 3 females; 3 sisters. Soon he finds out that time flows slower and that the sisters, despite having a physical appearance of a 30-, 25 and 15-year old, are actually several hundreds years old.

Despite being part of this small paradise, the main protagonist values freedom and seeks to escape this 'garden of Eden'. The youngest sister also aspires to see the living world beyond the ice prison and together they start to look for an exit. After venturing through a labyrinth of ice, they finally reach above ground. Before heading to the nearest town, they decide to make a camp fire, so they can sleep under the sky. The next morning Thorgal awakens and retrieves a dead decayed corpse of an old woman lying next to him. Time had gotten back to her.

I think Kalandra is an eldritchey kinda type which can shape landscapes and living beings to her will with reflection like powers.

Her main feat is reflection in various degrees and ways. I assume as an Eldricth entity that has not seen something exciting in centuries/millenia would make use of her reflection powers to preserve objects (including lifeforms) of interest from the realm of mortals.

Hey OP can we rename this thread into something like "Kalandra speculation thread"? The discussion is getting interesting, maybe we can get other contributions :)

Nice to see that somebody has not given up on the league or the character of Kalandra yet. Her lore seems interesting though the implementation looks somewhat poor.

Considering her rewards, I think Kalandra is the twin sister of Scamdiro Perandus...

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Vulmio wrote:

Considering her rewards, I think Kalandra is the twin sister of Scamdiro Perandus...

Perandus was a great league at the time...