[3.20] ❄️💀 Dream of the Endless - Cold SRS/Skeleton/Phantasm Summoner (SSF Viable, League Starter)💀❄️
I was thinking something close to this but without melee splash you are basically just relying on phantasms for clear which doesn't really feel well at all.
Also people keep saying phantasms were buffed but they got 20% less life and damage and then 20% more damage at level 20 which isn't a buff at all. The only buff they got was 10% chance to summon on hitting. All minions were lowered by 20% life/damage at 20 besides specters. But it is a slight buff from gem levels 21-30 (1-10%) more damage but hardly anything to write about.
I was thinking something close to this but without melee splash you are basically just relying on phantasms for clear which doesn't really feel well at all.
Also people keep saying phantasms were buffed but they got 20% less life and damage and then 20% more damage at level 20 which isn't a buff at all. The only buff they got was 10% chance to summon on hitting. All minions were lowered by 20% life/damage at 20 besides specters. But it is a slight buff from gem levels 21-30 (1-10%) more damage but hardly anything to write about.
All 100% true. If it feels slow for clear, can always use melee splash and go pure srs, or GMP.
We're at this point where "not nerfed" is a buff :D
But seriously, there's new minions gear and better jewels, so overall it is a bit of a buff. Also, better uptime is a very real buff.
Phantasms also get 38% More Damage, just like SRS do, on top of their buff, because whoever coded them is bad at his job. Not complaining, of course.
Overall we're going for Guardian with capped Spell Suppression, getting great clear speed and defenses without going with Block/Bone Offering. Guardian also provides decent Armor, and various utility features. If you prefer Scion, go HERE.
Why aren't we going Necro? Well, you CAN (https://poe.ninja/pob/DR5), it's just that I'm sick of only doing Necro, and Guardian is at the very least competitive.
Summary of the differences between Scion/Guardian/Necro:
Spoiler
Necro:
4 Wasted Points (Start)
No "Duration Tax" (4 Passive worth) = 50% Skill Duration + Affected by Flesh Offering (See Below)
30% All Res (Self+Minions)
5% Aura Effect
100% Minion Damage
10% Minion Movement Speed
31% Minion Attack/Cast Speed = 10% + 21% Auras (11% Auras + 10% Gen Auras)
10% Minion Life
30% Cast Speed = 4% Cast Speed + 11% Auras + 15% Offering
15% Movement Speed
10% More Minion Damage
10% Less Damage Debuff
Better Mana Sustain
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Scion:
2 Wasted Points (Start), but 1 is 18% Fire Res
1 Passive (5 Passive, 4 for Duration Tax = 1 "Free")
Affected by Flesh Offering (See Below)
60 INT + 20 STR
30% Minion Damage
33% Minion Attack/Cast Speed = 20% (Onslaught) + 13% (7.32 + 6.48 Auras)
20% Minion Movement Speed (Onslaught)
42% Cast Speed + 7% (7.32 Auras) + 15% (Offering) + 20% (Onslaught)
35% Movement Speed = 15% (Offering) + 20% (Onslaught)
Minor Phys Mitigation
Minor Cuse Mitigation
~5% Regen
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Guardian:
3 Wasted Points (Start), but +20 STR, 14 Life, 20% Mana Regen, access to 5% Life/Mana.
-4 Points Duration "Tax"
Immune to Curses
20% All Res (Self Only)
70% Increased Armour
5% Aura Effect
20% Minion Damage
40% Minion Attack/Cast Speed = 20% + 20% (Onslaught)
40% Minion Movement Speed = 20% + 20% (Onslaught)
20% Movement Speed (Onslaught)
10% More Minion Damage
Enemies Take 10% Increased Damage
20% Cast Speed (Onslaught)
~8% Regen = 0.5% Regen + ~7.5% Regen
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Actual Stats (in order, can change with tree):
Life - 169% Scion, 150% Necro, 147% Guardian (Necro also has 10% Less Damage Debuff - semi-reliable)
Actual DPS - 1st Necro (with Corpses), 2nd Guardian, 3rd Necro (no Corpses), 4th Scion
Armour - 144% Guardian, 74% Necro/Scion
Curse Immune - Guardian
Minion Movement Speed - 40% Guardian, 20% Scion, 10% Necro
Regen - 8% Guardian, 5% Scion, 0% Necro
For the main skill I wanted to go with SRS + Phantasms since both got buffed in 3.19, but you can do practically any minion skill on this base, and use Phys/Elemental/Poison.
Soulwrest is also a good option if you want Phantasm-only.
New stuff to look out for 3.19:
Abyss Jewels for minions have 50% More damage.
Necromancer Changes (no +2 gems)
Global +2 Minion Gems Helmet
Minion Ring/Shield Bases
SRS buffed by ~10% DPS
Phantasms buffed by ~38% DPS (due to how Phantasms are coded)
Defenses:
Grace
Determination
Spell Suppression
Regeneration + Life Flasks
New to Minions? Click here!
Spoiler
If you've never played minions, you should learn some ground rules.
1 - Minions are NOT you!
Minion skills may be Spells, but the only Spell portion is you summoning them.
Cast Speed will create them faster, but once they exist Spell Damage or any other modifier on you will NOT affect them.
2 - Minions themselves have skills, and those are either Attack or Spell, some are Projectiles, some are AoE.
3 - Support Gems affect Minions according to the skills they use (SRS are Physical Attackers, Phantasms are Phys Projectile Casters).
4 - Minion mods on gear and jewels and anything else affect minions.
5 - Thing you apply to enemies such as Shock and Curses, do affect minions just like they would help any other ally.
6 - Minions are NOT Party Members, but they are Allies.
Helmet:
+1/2 Minion Gems (Global)
Spell Suppression
Life
Evasion/Armor
Resistances
Helmet Enchants of Note:
SRS Duration
SRS % to Summon +1
Carrion Golem Buff Effect
Hatred/Determination/Grace Reservation
*Dash +2 Uses* - Personal Favorite
Boots:
Movement Speed
Spell Suppression
Life
Evasion/Armor
Resistances
Regenerate % of Life per second
Rings (Minion Bases):
Minion Movement Speed
Minion Damage
Minion Attack/Cast Speed (?)
Life
Resistances
*Frostbite on Hit* - Redeemer/Delve
Amulet: Jinxed Juju - Unique
Or Rare with:
+1/2 Spell Gems
Life
Resistances
Minion Damage
Minion Movement Speed
Aura Reservation, etc.
Belt: Darkness Enthroned - Unique
BiS even before the upgrades to Abyss Jewels.
Large Cluster Jewel (Minion Damage, 8 Passives):
Good options:
Renewal - 5% More Damage on Full Life, 1% Minion Regen
Call to the Slaughter - Generically great.
Feasting Fiends - Minion Leech
Raze and Pillage - Minion Damage
Primordial Bond - Golem Effect
Vicious Bite if going Crit...
2 x Medium Cluster Jewels (Minion Life Base, 4-5 Passives:
1 x *Blessed Rebirth - Recently Created Minions can't be damaged*
2 x *Life from Death - Minions Recover 4% of Life on Minion Death*
1 x Feasting Fiends - Minion Leech
Abyssal Jewels:
Life
Minion Damage if used a Minion Skill Recently
Minion Attack/Cast Speed
Minions deal # to # Physical/Cold Damage
Minions Leech
Minions Blind on Hit
Minions Hinder on Spell Hit
Resistances
Ascendancies:
1 - Radiant Crusade
2 - Unwavering Crusade
3-4 - Up to you!
Want Curse Immunity? Time of Need.
Want to generate Frenzy/Endurance using Hydrosphere? Harmony of Purpose.
Aura Effect and a bit more Phys Mitigation? Unwavering Faith.
Can even take multiple small passives. Harmony of Purpose doesn't work on Minions, take it only if you want charges for yourself!
Are you sure you can convert srs damage to cold with triad grip? since they deal 100% base fire damage now, and triad trip convert PHYS dmg to xxx, am i mistaking?
To clarify, SRS are 100% Physical, with 100% convert to Fire. Adding another 100% Convert to Cold ends up at 50/50 before Hatred and such...
As such, the better curse is Elemental Weakness (when self-cast, not on hit, because you need Q for the effect). After, it's about 90%+ Cold :D
Added Cold / Awakened Added Cold are also valid links.
Hmmm... According to the wiki, conversion from skills is always applied first. Conversion from items is only applied to whatever is left after skills. But I guess it works because the 100% conversion is a property of the minion, not the skill?
Are you sure you can convert srs damage to cold with triad grip? since they deal 100% base fire damage now, and triad trip convert PHYS dmg to xxx, am i mistaking?
To clarify, SRS are 100% Physical, with 100% convert to Fire. Adding another 100% Convert to Cold ends up at 50/50 before Hatred and such...
As such, the better curse is Elemental Weakness (when self-cast, not on hit, because you need Q for the effect). After, it's about 90%+ Cold :D
Added Cold / Awakened Added Cold are also valid links.
Hmmm... According to the wiki, conversion from skills is always applied first. Conversion from items is only applied to whatever is left after skills. But I guess it works because the 100% conversion is a property of the minion, not the skill?
If I were to go pure phantasms, what would you suggest for the 6 Link inside the staff? And I could put on GMP for mapping right? it would give their projectile attack bonus projectiles i assume
Edit: Would love to see a POB with your take on a phantasm setup if that's something youd be willing to do.
Last edited by Harmageddon#0914 on Aug 19, 2022, 3:15:45 PM
If I were to go pure phantasms, what would you suggest for the 6 Link inside the staff? And I could put on GMP for mapping right? it would give their projectile attack bonus projectiles i assume
Edit: Would love to see a POB with your take on a phantasm setup if that's something youd be willing to do.
It would indeed be what you do - GMP :)
It's literally the same tree :D
