[April 12] Initial Development Manifesto Feedback

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daytrippah wrote:

Physical attacks should have a status ailment that reduces the enemies' armor on crit (rather than increase base damage in some fashion). That way, players can focus on crit and multi (as a modifier to the % of armor reduced per crit) .. let me elaborate.

Problem with crits on a physical build (which is why most go RT or ignore the nodes) is reflect. Unless ur crazy enough to try a ES melee character (therefore, using vaal pact), ur likely to pummel urself in one fell swoop if you crit and get a huge multi roll.

example: My cleaver does around 65k dps now without crit nodes. (40k or so with IAOE). Physical reflect isnt too much of a problem at about 50% reduction and popping a granite. If its problematic, i switch to IAOE or even take out cleave for infernal blow just to watch ranged characters destroy mobs.

That same build, which focused on crit/multi - I would blow myself up on one pack of phys reflect 9.9/10 times (since my crit % was around 22% and multi was up to 300% or so). Similar damage (about 5k more) - but far more deaths. It was unplayable.


Now heres my suggestion: crit should lower armor on successful crit, crit multi increases armor reduced per crit.

This way - the damage dealt by the player remains the same, but the armor reduction effect on the mob is increased per crit, and even more so when multi nodes are taken.

Idea - dps may be less on paper (forfeiting phys nodes for crit nodes) - but the effect on the mobs, and therefore your utility to a party, is that you can reduce armor of mobs, especially those with high armor. Less armor = less reduction = more damage.

The kicker - the increased damage to a mob as a result of reducing its armor should not reflect. Thus, your base damage will reflect at a % consistently, but if you reduce armor to zero on enough crits, the reflection will remain stagnant. Thus, crits will "increase damage" and multiplier even more so, but the effect will not instant gib ur character.

Mind you most crit heavy builds are range, probably for this reason. Even with 10% leech i was absolutely destroying myself at 75% reduction and 4200 life. Issue: I was doing TOO much damage - but since when do we want to penalize someone for that? :P

Just a thought

--Daytrippin--

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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daytrippah wrote:

Physical attacks should have a status ailment that reduces the enemies' armor on crit (rather than increase base damage in some fashion). That way, players can focus on crit and multi (as a modifier to the % of armor reduced per crit) .. let me elaborate.

Problem with crits on a physical build (which is why most go RT or ignore the nodes) is reflect. Unless ur crazy enough to try a ES melee character (therefore, using vaal pact), ur likely to pummel urself in one fell swoop if you crit and get a huge multi roll.

example: My cleaver does around 65k dps now without crit nodes. (40k or so with IAOE). Physical reflect isnt too much of a problem at about 50% reduction and popping a granite. If its problematic, i switch to IAOE or even take out cleave for infernal blow just to watch ranged characters destroy mobs.

That same build, which focused on crit/multi - I would blow myself up on one pack of phys reflect 9.9/10 times (since my crit % was around 22% and multi was up to 300% or so). Similar damage (about 5k more) - but far more deaths. It was unplayable.


Now heres my suggestion: crit should lower armor on successful crit, crit multi increases armor reduced per crit.

This way - the damage dealt by the player remains the same, but the armor reduction effect on the mob is increased per crit, and even more so when multi nodes are taken.

Idea - dps may be less on paper (forfeiting phys nodes for crit nodes) - but the effect on the mobs, and therefore your utility to a party, is that you can reduce armor of mobs, especially those with high armor. Less armor = less reduction = more damage.

The kicker - the increased damage to a mob as a result of reducing its armor should not reflect. Thus, your base damage will reflect at a % consistently, but if you reduce armor to zero on enough crits, the reflection will remain stagnant. Thus, crits will "increase damage" and multiplier even more so, but the effect will not instant gib ur character.

Mind you most crit heavy builds are range, probably for this reason. Even with 10% leech i was absolutely destroying myself at 75% reduction and 4200 life. Issue: I was doing TOO much damage - but since when do we want to penalize someone for that? :P

Just a thought

--Daytrippin--

Physical attacks can use life/mana leech from gear. Physical attacks, after a certain amounts of damage (perfomed via crit multiplier) almost ignore enemy's armour. Physical attacks actually have TWO benefits, and you even dont need to crit to make them work! Why do you ask for mechanics, that is implemented already???

I dont know what are you talking about, physical attacks are generally FAR BETTER than elemental ones. With physial attacks, you dont need life leech gem, you dont need penetration gem and resists-reducing curses! Just take resists and leech into consideration, and you'll see that elemental attacks are worse than physical ones.

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