Why is Mathil able to do everything that is impossible according to most of the complains here?

the op is essentially right in most of what hes saying.

pointing out that mathil is a good player doesnt invalidate what hes saying. people claim X is impossible, mathil does it repeatedly. pointing out that mathil is good at the game doesnt mean the people who said it was impossible are suddenly right because being good at the game means that you dont count.

yes, you have to be good at the game to do the things that require you to be good at the game. having a game where someone can be good at it and being good at it means u can do something that a shit player cant isnt the devs shitting on casuals or unfair or shafting new players or ay of this crap we see spewed on these forums endlessly. thats called being a game, in games there is potential for someone to be good at it and someone to be bad at it, thats how games work.

mathil doesnt have some btchboys, he doesnt have stupid op gear that he got because he farmed 4 mirriors in 2 weeks playing in a full juice trade party guild, he didnt follow some insane racer strats with perfectly optimised trees on the most meta shit ever. hes not running around in madcap legacy mirrored cheat mode gear. if mathil is doing it and player X cant, thats because player X just isnt as good at the game. its a l2p, its not the game being 'impossible'. i think thats what the op is saying and hes right.

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JCOH35 wrote:

I cant speak for Mathil but I think alot of players complain because this game is 100% balanced around their streamers which is an big problem.

Ive played the game off and on for several years and its always been the same story, players struggle to get by then Empyrian releases some absurd video of him and his army of proffesional flippers abusing something then its nerfed into the ground and the average guy is just left fkd while the streamer just moves on to the next way of printing money.

no its not.

printing money is not a balanced game state, the devs didnt set out to make a game where players 'print money' and obliterate the game with stupid powerful items and then balance it so that only 'steamers' can achieve this indented state of balance.

the game is balanced around average players who basically never trade, the game they are playing is the game how it is supposed to be played. if the game was balanced around empyerian then he wouldnt be printing money, he would be having to struggle a bit and put in some effort which is what the devs intend the game to be.

Mathis often does use mirror tier gear. (Try to find his absolution helmet for under a mirror)

He does often spend 30+ minutes finding the perfectly optimal piece of gear for his build, and he has thousands of hours of experience trading efficiently.

Mathils skills are off the chart (which is why he has world firsts).



This thread is like asking why not everyone runs 100m under 9.6 seconds because Bolt once did it.

You could not come up with a better example of why the game feels broken to many players than using Mathis as an example of what a normal player should be like.

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trixxar wrote:

You could not come up with a better example of why the game feels broken to many players than using Mathis as an example of what a normal player should be like.

To add onto this Mathils often make it look like he is that 9.6 seconds guy but this patch with his league builds he havent a build yet that deals with the uber exarch and eater of worlds. Only showcase i saw is maven which is one of the easiest uber variants.

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Zerber wrote:

Mathil plays the game super casual he just plays a lot.

First line is totally incorrect.

Mathil does not play casual.

Playing POE is literally his business and he earns about a quarter of a million dollars doing it every year.

He plays like it's a business. Not casual at all.

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brunowa wrote:

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Zerber wrote:

Mathil plays the game super casual he just plays a lot.

First line is totally incorrect.

Mathil does not play casual.

Playing POE is literally his business and he earns about a quarter of a million dollars doing it every year.

He plays like it's a business. Not casual at all.

... and? streaming is his money making job yes. that doesnt mean he cant play casual. lots of people out there playing video games at a super casual level while still making hundreds of thousands from streaming

Because whenever people say its impossible it just means "it would take effort to do so".

You kind of right and kind of wrong. Mathil's own meta objectively blows but it works for him. Not everybody can achieve that.

He is mechanically superior to majority of the playerbase. He started is hns carreer by toping D2 ladder wich was autistic af even back then. Most people would not handle or tolerate what/how/why he does in the game. But yes his playstyle is offmeta, is suboptimal, etc and lots of players experimenting with PoE would attain similar flow.

However people follow a meta, follow Youtube guys, it generates lots of fomo. I'm taking a league off and it is doing me good, can't wait for the next one.

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JCOH35 wrote:

I cant speak for Mathil but I think alot of players complain because this game is 100% balanced around their streamers which is an big problem.

I actually think the opposite is true, PoE has never been easier to engage with across the board than it is right now.

Wow, this could have been a really interesting thread but once again the two opposite sides bunker in with repeating the same argument while not acknowledging that the other side has a point as well. Online forum, u gotta love it... So if you don't really get it, let me be the referee here and point out where y'all are right and where u can simply start to agree instead of contradict yourselves

The "Mathil is playing casual" side
He does, for several mentioned reasons.

1. He does indeed not minmax characters, the notion he would use mirror tier gear is ludacris. The only point where he uses mirror tier gear is if he buys something for 10ex, shows what the total build does for 35-40 and suddenly tons of people jump onto the mathil-train and try to buy the same gear, so it's demand and supply that drives the price into hyperinflation, not mathil using mirror tier gear in the first place. Also, he does not get to level 100 on most chars, not even close.

2. He does indeed not minmax crafting and not farming. There is simply no point debating that. His gear has core modifiers, but often 3-4 good mods, not 5 or 6 like real minmaxers would get. His gems are never 21/23 or 21/20 Vaal or whatever, his cluster jewels are suboptimal. His gear is the definition of "medium budget" for a lot of guides.

3. He plays whatever he finds funny even on leaguestart without in-depth pob or testing. Look at the amount of work people like Palsteron, Fyregrass or others put into their leaguestart prep as a comparison.

The "mathil does not play casual" side

1. His time investment.
We don't even have to go into the "he is earning money" as this barely means shit. Some chicks swim in pools half naked and get rich from it, just because you earn money doesn't make u professional.
But there is a clear correlation between time investment and currency earning potential, and no one denies that.

2. His knowledge.
Due to his amount of playtime but also due to how long he plays PoE in general his knowledge exceeds many experienced players, let alone the typical casual.

Why this discussion is fruitless
U guys argue for 4 pages now about the above mentioned points for no apparent reason. The real question is what do we make out of the situation.
There are very interesting questions that arise from those facts, for example
- How much knowledge is actually needed to play successful in Poe?
- What actually means success in PoE?
- is it desirable and should it be expected from mew beginners to casuals to catch up in terms of game experience over time?
- how much time investment is needed to learn PoE REALLY?

Like... Those are actually interesting points. A short summary about that and in retrospect to my game experience.

I am in comparison to others relatively new to PoE - I started roughly 4 weeks before the end of metamorph, so my first real season was Delirium. In my very first league I made round about 3 exalts, in my second it was about 15, then I went up to 30, in Harvest I had about 200... ignore my overall time investment back in the day for a second: Do you really believe that I played in Harvest 66 times as much as in Metamorph? Or take this league? I made 2.5 mirrors. With a full time job without time off aside from 2 days. Do you think I somehow managed to invent a mashine to turn my days into 48 hours?

From this development there is one thing ABUNDANTLY clear to me, that is KNOWLEDGE TRUMPS EVERYTHING in PoE. I mean the season is 5 weeks in, there's so much time left for much more inexperienced players,it's not like u have to be even close to that level and whats more, I don't consider myself even that good. I met plenty of people who are a lot more efficient.

This ultimatively means that the final question needs to be "how much learning do you enjoy in a video game", because from all I've seen in the past 7 leagues this basically determines far more than anything else if a new player arises into the 1%ers or gets stuck along the way. Also, this begs the question why PoE needs to cater to those casual souls which some many games are made for...

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zzang wrote:

To add onto this Mathils often make it look like he is that 9.6 seconds guy but this patch with his league builds he havent a build yet that deals with the uber exarch and eater of worlds. Only showcase i saw is maven which is one of the easiest uber variants.

People here on the forum would sound a lot more reasonable when they say "Hey look mathil is a mechanicaly really skilled player but even for him its impossible to kill uber eater/exarch with any none meta build not geared in 300ex." Instead of doing that they just constantly scream "OMG this game is impossible to beat only the top 100 players can actually archive anything and it has no build diversity because you need one of 5 meta build to do anything more dangerous than white maps..."