+2% chance to contain other Extra Content

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Deadandlivin wrote:

All of these have a base 10% chance to appear. By picking one of those nodes, you remove one mechanic from the pool and bump up the chance for the other ones to appear to 10%. You can keep speccing into those points driving your favorite mechanics above 30%. If you pick the new Keystone that increases the chance for mechnics to appear by 50% (But can't use scarabs) you can push your favorite mechanics to ~50% chance to appear.

Fyegrass did a calculation on it and he tested to maximize Legion and Breach chance to appear. Got it to 60% or something like that.

Thx for mentioned Fyregrass, didn't know him before

On Minute 20:00 on his Spreadsheed:
https://youtu.be/wwoPkj4ceyg?t=1200

Fyregrass Numbers for Harvest:

8% Base + 10% Atlas + 4% Stream = 22%

Blocking 8 Mechanics = 38%

Blocking 9 Mechanics = 40%

So if you keep Delirium and Harvest for example you will hit every 3rd map these mechanics and in 3.17 it was much less.

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benjaminbona wrote:

If you're claiming harvest is soooo good but you yourself dont wanna farm it

Then clearly, it's not that good in your own eyes otherwise you would be farming it

Its an anoying mechanic imho, you run your map and a grove shows up and you have to decide to skip it and stay in the flow or go in and take some time off.

Its same when someone wants trade and you have to go to hideout.

Trade/Harvest = more Profit, less mapping flow

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Aijendo wrote:

The point is that all Leagues have +2% but, there is no reason to "disable" Harvest for just +2%, thats my point.

Delirium and Harvest are way more valueable, so disabling it should also reward more.

Delirium sure, but how is Harvest valuable? All I've ever gotten are reroll crafts. Killing Harvest would have absolutely no impact on my gameplay, and for players who don't use builds that can blitz maps in under a minute, I'm sure they'll lose next to nothing picking up the keystone either.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Delirium sure, but how is Harvest valuable? All I've ever gotten are reroll crafts. Killing Harvest would have absolutely no impact on my gameplay, and for players who don't use builds that can blitz maps in under a minute, I'm sure they'll lose next to nothing picking up the keystone either.

On Kirac Mods:

Harvest (costs 12 Chaos Orbs): Area contains The Sacred Grove.

- GGG knows its valueable otherwise you won't have to pay 12c

- Do you know what TFT is?

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Aijendo wrote:

- Do you know what TFT is?

What good is TFT if you're getting literally nothing of value? I've still yet to find any crafts that would actually be worth selling. Ain't nobody buying rerolls.

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Aijendo wrote:

On Kirac Mods:

Harvest (costs 12 Chaos Orbs): Area contains The Sacred Grove.

- GGG knows its valueable otherwise you won't have to pay 12c

It's not just about the 2% chance, its about completely removing content that you don't wanna engage with. Most players who care about efficiency used to skip content they don't wanna do anyway, this gives them a lot of added value. Players who wanna spend 15 mins on a map and do every single league content still have the option to do so. Imho this is a 100% win-win, and I couldn't possibly see someone having a problem with this.

This will be amazing for content like delirium mirrors that can't be forced with scarabs & are expensive to consistently run (delirium compasses were 80-100c in 3.17). And the 2% is additive to the base 8% chance, so you take 8 of these nodes and you get a whopping 24% base chance for the 1-2 league mechanics you actually wanna do.

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Aijendo wrote:

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Aijendo wrote:

On Kirac Mods:

Harvest (costs 12 Chaos Orbs): Area contains The Sacred Grove.

- GGG knows its valueable otherwise you won't have to pay 12c

"It's 12c because Gx3 said so" isn't a good answer.

Please explain how Harvest is valuable, because from my experience, getting nothing but rerolls that isn't worth mentioning on TFT isn't that.

You'd skip the content that you disable anyway so you lose nothing and gain a boost. I'm also pretty confident that there's a cap on how many league mechanics can be at once in a map naturally so you're making sure that this won't cull your prefered mechanic by picking up the nodes that disable stuff you don't like. Sounds like a massive upside to me. Why people need to complain about having more ways to customize their mapping experience?

OP is confusing worldwide profit with solo profit all over the place.

It. Does. Not. Matter. if Harvest is profitable if YOU personally NEVER run Harvest. It holds zero value for you.

Thats the entire point of these nodes. You get a boost to things that DO hold value for absolutely no downside. It is a PERSONAL choice, not a MARKET choice.

The WEIGHT of that value varies from person to person, that's why everything is set equal across the board.

Sure, GGG COULD do an extreme meta-analysis of the intrinsic value of every single league mechanic over the entirety of their existence in the game, and then weigh those values into every single keystone node. But that would be nigh impossible and would inevitably result in near-equal nodes anyway.

Kirac mod costs are absolutely meaningless and I have no idea why you keep bringing them up...have YOU ever paid 12c to force a Harvest? You realize that those values change every single league and are almost completely arbitrary...