🌬️⛵☁️[3.25] The dirty Scorpion-tail|Chaos-Necromancy 600M+|Herald of Agony CI-Arachnophobia Allstars

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HenchmanNo1 wrote:
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Chromino wrote:
I added a short showcase into the introduction.

This time it's showing a bit about the damage capacities of the Herald of Agony, while also at the same time the build is facetanking some of the bigger main default attackstyles of shaper (full beam), eater (writhing mass) and exarch (annihilation).

The interesting aspect is that the HoA-build scales 40-50M pinnacle damage with it's clusters and still keep up by pob calculated infinitive ehp - 89% all resis, 90 k armour, 1.3k es on hit with 16 orbs of stormburst + 300 from channelled ball-lightning + 300 from brands, total 1.9 k es/ sec and 1.8k es on block + spellblock beside.

Other tanky skills like rf, or other herald-skills or ascendancies scale with this full tankyness and recovery ordinary around 6-12M damage, or do not reach the needed cast speed for fast HoA 80 virulences.

Some bosses - Exarch 5 seconds, Eater 5 seconds, Facetanking Shaper's Beam

https://youtu.be/0k1YaQXdnuQ



Hi Chromino,

I'm working on switching over to the Uber version of the build from the arakaali build (Loving it so far), and I have most of the b.i.s gears and gems already. However, I'm running into an issue of mana reservation where I can only run the 4 defensive auras (determination, tempest, discipline and PoI) but I don't have enough for HoAg... Other than getting a better Circle of Nostalgia (not sure it would be enough), is there anything I can do to be able to fix the build?

PoB : https://pastebin.com/5zwKLeR5

Also, I assume that is ghost dance detrimental to the build since we're not running grace, and Lethe Shade would be better?


Hi HenchmanNo1,

Yes, Lethe Shade on SoL is fitting.

The ubers are almost zero attacking with ordinary classical attackhits, so the aura grace is much less effective. Use instead enlighten-support for easy manamanagement linked to all used active auras and tempestshield (in 4 links of boots e.g.). Without grace don't use ghost dance.

Use despair + temporal chains instead sniper's mark and the low 120% of awakened unbound ailments instead damage on full life-support and you should have lesser mana problems. Yes, 48% efficiencies on the second ring helps a bit too. Or get a second small cluster for "pure guile", +20 dex and dex on the transferpassive instead split personality. Self-Control would be better for mana-efficiencies, but probably you need dex too.

Use instead writhing jar the fitting elemental-dr-flask like guides in "flasks" or "the ubers" and anomalous vile toxins instead pierce.

Use in the pob the trees and also the skill-tab "the ubers" (firestorm+increased duration or ball-lightnings in place of purifying flame/ faster casting).
Last edited by Chromino#4813 on Jan 24, 2023, 6:26:12 PM
After all this time I haven't found a build I like. I did try the Spiders out a few leagues ago and I didn't get the hang of it. I want to try this build out since I have an 84 Witch I got bored with and dumped. Do you think 15 Divines is an OK budget to get it going? I spent a lot of time reading your posts trying to process everything.

Just for clarification is this where I should start?

Tree : Leveling CI over 55% block - Lvl 85 - Fullblock
Items: Lvl 80-90 mapping before Aul's uprising
Passive Tree: Leveling CI over 55% block - Lvl 85 - Fullblock

So I just dove in.

Am I on the right path?
https://pastebin.com/TCH8caS7

I know Faster Casting is doubled in the gloves. Gonna swap to Gravebind's until I can get things going and switch to Arakaali's Fang. Hope that helps while I figure things out.

So I think I'm having issues with Bone Offering. I placed it in the weapon with Unearth and Arcanist Brand. When I cast Arcanist Brand, there's a brand and nothing. Even after killing some mobs and casting again, notihng. Sometimes it shows and sometimes it doesn't. Seems random. Do the gems have to be in a specific order? I figure AB - Unearth - Bone Offering last. Same results.
Last edited by chrischoi#5738 on Jan 26, 2023, 11:41:16 PM
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chrischoi wrote:
After all this time I haven't found a build I like. I did try the Spiders out a few leagues ago and I didn't get the hang of it. I want to try this build out since I have an 84 Witch I got bored with and dumped. Do you think 15 Divines is an OK budget to get it going? I spent a lot of time reading your posts trying to process everything.

Just for clarification is this where I should start?

Tree : Leveling CI over 55% block - Lvl 85 - Fullblock
Items: Lvl 80-90 mapping before Aul's uprising
Passive Tree: Leveling CI over 55% block - Lvl 85 - Fullblock

So I just dove in.

Am I on the right path?
https://pastebin.com/TCH8caS7

I know Faster Casting is doubled in the gloves. Gonna swap to Gravebind's until I can get things going and switch to Arakaali's Fang. Hope that helps while I figure things out.

So I think I'm having issues with Bone Offering. I placed it in the weapon with Unearth and Arcanist Brand. When I cast Arcanist Brand, there's a brand and nothing. Even after killing some mobs and casting again, notihng. Sometimes it shows and sometimes it doesn't. Seems random. Do the gems have to be in a specific order? I figure AB - Unearth - Bone Offering last. Same results.


Hi chrischoi!

Yes, correct, take the trees and items-tabs equal to your level (lvl 85, lvl 90, etc.).

Don't take the trees to strict. You can balance tankyness and damage always with some more spellblock of a large spellblock-cluster, more ailments-immunities of arcane sanctuary or more es-passives for defences when you feel to have enough damage.
Or instead buff your damage with the next medium cluster "pure agony", the +1 chaos-mastery or a large minion-damage-cluster.
It always depends on your gear, your already obtained support-gems and the content you're stinging.

Budget of the build was 10 days after leaguestart around 5 div for starter gear and 30 div for medium gear. With the starter gear lvl95 is easy possible. Now in middle of the league the prices should be mostly cheaper:

Spoiler

(... --> page 36)


10 days after league start 3.20 Sanctum, 2nd cheapest price, only-online-trades


Low budget mandatory gear, ready for t15-16 + ready for all Pinnacle-bosses + tanky infinitive ehp: 5-15M Pinnacle-boss-damage

1) Eber's unification + HoA-helmet-enchant 1 div
2) Aegis aurora shield 2 div
3) Skin of the Lords body-armour, neutral keystone, 5 correct colours 30 chaos
4) Arakaali dagger 30 chaos
5) Ring Circle of Nostalgia, HoA 35% efficiencies, HoA buff effect 3 chaos
6) Rainbow stride boots, high spellblock-roll: 1 chaos

Mandatory jewels

7) Golden rule jewel 1 chaos

Mandatory clusters

8) 2 large spellblock-clusters, 1 useable skill, some resis, 2 x 70 chaos = 140 chaos
9) 4 medium clusters pure agony, some resis + dex, 1 useable pure agony, 4 passives, 4 x 10-30 chaos = 80 chaos
10) 3 small clusters manamangement sublime form/ uncompromising/ self control, 6% efficiencies, some resis + dex, 3 x 25 - 35 chaos = 90 chaos

Skillgems

11) HoA skillgem lvl 21, default quality, 5 chaos
12) Empower lvl 3 1.5 div
13) Awakened Minion damage 35 chaos

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Total: Low budget (ready for t15-16): 7 div
When you level empower and craft some clusters yourself: 5 div



Medium budget mandatory gear, ready for t16 delirium full juiced maps + simulacrum wave 30 + most ubers + tanky infinitive ehp: 25M Pinnacle-boss-damage

Mandatory gear

1) Eber's unification + HoA-helmet-enchant 1 div
2) Aegis aurora shield 2 div
3) Arakaali dagger 30 chaos
4) Writhing jar flask, 1 chaos
5) Skin of the lords body-armour, ghost dance/ lethe shade/iron reflexes, 5 correct socket colours: 50 chaos
6) Aul uprising amulet, grace reserves no mana: 8 div
7) Ring Circle of Nostalgia, crawler increased damage, HoA 40% efficiencies, 2 x 1 = 2 div
8) Eldritch boots, resis, movementspeed, 25% avoidances or open suffix, 120 es - for permament 100% all elemental ailment-avoidances needed 20-50 greater eldritch orbs + 3-5 orbs of conflict not included 1 div
9) 4 white sockets triad grips gloves 3 div

Mandatory jewels

10) Golden rule jewel 1 chaos
11) Melding of the flesh, almost perfect roll 1 div
12) Watcher's eye, 2 good mods 1 div
13) Split personality, es/ int 1 div
14) Impossible escape /Unwavering stance for +87%-89% max-resis 3 div

Mandatory clusters

15) 3 large spellblock-clusters, 2 useable skills, some resis, 3 x 3 div = 9 div
16) 6 medium clusters pure agony, some resis + dex, 1 useable pure agony, 4 passives, 6 x 10-30 chaos = 120 chaos
17) 3 small clusters manamangement sublime form/ uncompromising/ self control, 6% efficiencies, some resis + dex, 3 x 25 - 35 chaos = 90 chaos

Gems lvl 21, Awakened gems etc.

18) Divergent HoA lvl 21 3 div
19) Empower lvl 4 8 div
20) Awakened minion damage 35 chaos
21) Awakened void manipulation 2.5 div
22) Awakened vicious projectiles 0.5 div
23) Anomalous grace 50 chaos

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Total: 48 div Medium budget
When you level empower and craft clusters/gloves/boots yourself: 33 div



Tanky infinitive ehp + ready for all ubers: 30-40M Pinnacle-boss-damage

United in dreams sword (instead arakaali's dagger), good roll 80 chaos
Uul Netol's Vow amulet (instead aul's etc./) 20 div
Divergent cast when stunned 15 chaos
Divergent storm burst 15 chaos

Other b.i.s. gear-examples:

Skin of the lords, ghost dance/ lethe shade /iron reflexes, 6 correct socket colours: 6 div
Aegis aurora granted grace/ determination 30 div
Eldritch boots, resis, movementspeed, 25% avoidances or open suffix, 150+ es, for 100% permament all elemental ailment-avoidances needed 20-50 greater eldritch orbs + 3-5 orbs of conflict not included 8 div
Voices clusters 3 small passives grant nothing 13 div
Aul uprising amulet, determination reserves no mana 14 div
megamaniac cluster pure agony +2 strong skills 1-20 div
watcher's eye, es gained on hit discipline-mod - 2 div
Awakened Cast While Channelling 2.5 div


To summarize: Aul's uprising amulet, ashes of the stars or +1 + aura-efficiencies rare amulet, are expensive (probably not many delve and auras are popular as always) around 10 div each. Empower lvl 4 is expensive 8 div. All other gear/ clusters/ jewels are the same or cheaper prices as in the last leagues. I checked the prices at a very bad, not fitting trading time and saw most pieces cheaper at earlier times already - like empower lvl 4 to snipe 4 div, large spellblock-cluster 2 useable skills 80 chaos etc...


When you craft some stuff yourself it's cheaper, but 5 divines will not be enough, sorry. When you level empower it will very tightly fit. I guess t 14 would be possible, I am not sure. With 6-7 divines no problem.

Starting with the shield "apep's slumber" instead "aegis aurora" would make it also easy in t16 possible to go with 5 div.




You find a lot more budget-alternatives in the spoiler trade-links next to each gear/cluster-slot and in the levelling-spoiler:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-post/24587360

Your pob is almost great. Well done.
Change "redemption" to the next cluster "pure agony".
You miss the second curse despair, that would be 20% damage when you have a free slot, and a source of more withers like balance of terror etc. (see "the composition of agony") when you need more damage.
The next big upgrade is the "empower"-support, it is great buffed with skin of the lords for HoA.


I cannot figure out why your arcanist brand don't trigger. You have enough mana when pob calculates correct.
The brand need to be attached to a mob. When the mob is killed instant /too fast, it is detached and don't trigger. Mmmhmm, ordinary there should be no problems.

Yes, 2x faster casting on gloves + supportgem don't stack. I personally don't advice to the gravebinds, their "nearby" is too small to trigger often. They are a little bit qol, but I would simply exchange the faster casting-support-gem to chance to poison-support and regret the passives of serpentine spellslinger until getting triad grips with 4 white sockets.




Last edited by Chromino#4813 on Jan 29, 2023, 5:36:10 PM
Hello Chromino! Thank you for the build. New-ish player returning to the game after a few years away here.

However, I'm currently having some issues with DPS.. invested approx 20-30 div yet damage is barely above 100K, and I'm definitely feeling it.

Of course there are some deficiencies still in mine - e.g. suboptimal Skins and Aul's - but I've gotten four medium clusters with the necessary offensive skills, two large ones with defenses, 4W Triad, two Circles of Nostalgia, United in Dream, Aegis, etc.

Would very much appreciate help. My POB is: https://pastebin.com/Uj2qTn3b

At the moment play is feeling clunky and inefficient :(
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JosephDrake wrote:
Hello Chromino! Thank you for the build. New-ish player returning to the game after a few years away here.

However, I'm currently having some issues with DPS.. invested approx 20-30 div yet damage is barely above 100K, and I'm definitely feeling it.

Of course there are some deficiencies still in mine - e.g. suboptimal Skins and Aul's - but I've gotten four medium clusters with the necessary offensive skills, two large ones with defenses, 4W Triad, two Circles of Nostalgia, United in Dream, Aegis, etc.

Would very much appreciate help. My POB is: https://pastebin.com/Uj2qTn3b

At the moment play is feeling clunky and inefficient :(


Hi JosephDrake,

you missed all default pob-configurations like HoA-virulences, withers, poison for vile toxins and also the settings to pinnacle bosses.

Visit the spoiler "path of building" for the pob-configurations or take them from the default pob. Like for your pob:
https://pastebin.com/EqENGKyf

Your pinnacle-dps is 6M at the moment with 200k ehp.
In the spoiler "the composition of agony" you find step by step all needed big buffs to your damage.

- You don't use storm burst, so you will probably not generate mandatory full HoA-virulences against singletargets.
Visit the spoiler "composition of agony" and "skills" for recommended set-ups. Use divergent storm burst lvl 1 - awakened cast while channeling - faster casting/ or chance to poison- singletarget firestorm lvl 1 (- in maps purifying flame when you need more tankyness).
Push out your gem clarity. Try to get soon a divergent HoA lvl 21 for 20% more poisonchance and put out chance to poison.

- As CI your helmet bench-craft added +life don't help, change it to es or other needed benchcrafts


- Your spellblock is overcapped. Regret 2 passives in arcane guarding, take in the next medium cluster pure agony.
- Get medium clusters with 4 passives, not 5, so you will get 4 more free passives. Take a look into the last spoiler of the build for the fitting tradelinks.
- In maps use awakened fork or anomalous pierce for 30-35 projectiles (instead 5 with vile toxins). Use vile toxins against large bosses like shaper etc.


- Take in the ar+es-mastery to buff wicked ward with increasements of es-recharge by ar.
- Take in "anomalous" withering step for more withers, also "balance of terror" is recommended.
- Change your split personality to es+dex (5c), so you will not longer need the careful planning-jewel.
- Get a large cluster with veteran defender on position 1 or 3 (40c) and you can regret written in blood without downsides (or use severed in sleep instead united in dreams or split personalty es+str). Insert it in the last cluster slot without problems.
- more possibilities of increasing dex, str etc. you find in the spoilers "balancing & managing - important mechanics" when wanted.


- Your resis are high overcapped. You have already great small clusters, top! - take in the melding of the flesh (good rolls, -4%, -72%, 2 div https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/DpDlLZ4T5 ) for much more tankyness. Best with 5 lightning resis more on a clustertransferpoint, you can change the resis of clusters and boots /gear at the harvest-crafting-bench from not needed cold to welcomed lightning.
Use purity of ice only in combination with melding of the flesh-jewel.
- Get a purity of ice lvl 21.


- Next you have only a low lvl 27 HoA, it misses the tipping points which increase the base-stats of your virulences. Increase HoA easy to lvl 29 with the awakened supports awakened minion damage (10c) and awakened void manipulation (150 c).


These fast improved adjustements will help already lot and will nice double your 6M to 12 M damage, double your singletarget HoA virulences with storm burst, and your tankyness to fine doubled ehp too.

Last edited by Chromino#4813 on Jan 30, 2023, 2:42:46 PM
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Chromino wrote:
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JosephDrake wrote:
Hello Chromino! Thank you for the build. New-ish player returning to the game after a few years away here.

However, I'm currently having some issues with DPS.. invested approx 20-30 div yet damage is barely above 100K, and I'm definitely feeling it.

Of course there are some deficiencies still in mine - e.g. suboptimal Skins and Aul's - but I've gotten four medium clusters with the necessary offensive skills, two large ones with defenses, 4W Triad, two Circles of Nostalgia, United in Dream, Aegis, etc.

Would very much appreciate help. My POB is: https://pastebin.com/Uj2qTn3b

At the moment play is feeling clunky and inefficient :(





These fast improved adjustements will help already lot and will nice double your 6M to 12 M damage, double your singletarget HoA virulences with storm burst, and your tankyness to fine doubled ehp too.



Wow, thank you so much for those extensive recommendations! I always don't realize how much I yet do not know and am not aware of. The depth and breadth of POE is both what makes this game both so daunting yet so fun to play, and I do appreciate you provide much needed insight to a relative newbie like me.

I'll definitely upgrade according to your suggestions; albeit currently being slightly limited by currency. You've given me a lot of direct improvement advice regardless, so thank you again!
Chromino, what would you recommend for fast mapping - Awakened Fork or Anomalous Pierce ?
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Chromino wrote:
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Huntezudo wrote:
Hi Chromino,

First, congratulations on the build. I've been having so much fun with her.

But I still have some points that I need to improve and I would like some tips (Brazilian Slang) "from the child's father".

I have no idea where I could include Desecrate and Bone Offering.

Other point. I had to include 1 Strength node and another Dexterity node in the passive tree.

Would the best upgrade be a ring with attributes? And how to compensate for the loss of mana pool and damage from the loss of Circle of nostalgia?


Thank you!


So I took a look on the pob - it's looking fine with 12M damage and 1.4M ehp.

You have some overcapped attributes and could change out split personality and also practical application when you limit molten shell/ determination 1-2 lvls lower or get a bit str on a clustertransfer.

Later often the 3 passives for small clusters are better as 2.
Singletarget United in dreams with a balance of terror jewel and selfcasted despair is stronger as arakaali's.

An anti-bleeding suffix on one flasks often is the most needed suffix.

For tankyness the next upgrades are

- 100% ailment avoidances. Change the 2 spellblockpassives arcane guarding to arcane sanctuary and then get better boots like guided in "important mechanics" - "crafting".

- Melding of the flesh is almost possible with more resis on clustertransfers, veteran defender on a large cluster and aul's determination reserve no mana instead aul's with grace + switching uncompromising to sublime form-clusters too.

Looks already very fine! Well done!


Hi Chromino.

I made some of the changes indicated above and it got sooooo much better.

I managed to turn on all the auras, but they still stay right at the mana limit (57).

A doubt that I was after the last changes was in relation to the summons. Where could I include it? And I'm not sure I understood how Unearth works on this comp.

If you have some time, could you analyze and suggest any changes?

https://pastebin.com/8SLHKWiq

Thanks
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Roxan28 wrote:
Chromino, what would you recommend for fast mapping - Awakened Fork or Anomalous Pierce ?


Hey Roxan28,

awakened fork is much better with 35 forked projectiles against 30 pierced of anomalous pierce - when you have a bit more mana for the reservations.

Awakened fork is in leaguestart expensive, but in high density the projectiles are more often hitting. In blight, delirium, delve etc. there's a big difference.
Hi Chromino!
How does your final tree lvl21 purity of ice provide 6% max res in pob?
Im following the final guide, and sadly I have to ask what interactions affect the max resis.
I am currently capped at 84% and it bugs me how to increase them to 85%
Best Regards

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