👻3.20👻 Kay's Summoner💥SRS Bomber💀Poison SRS💀Melee SRS🕷️Spiders💀Skeleton Mages

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kayella wrote:

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Emplaid wrote:

I don't get it, mage skeletons were nerfed by 75% overall or they removed the 50% added damage from the gem and that gave a 25% damage reduction overall.

It's gain 50% more "added damage"

So if you have +100 cold damage, then the skele gain 150 added cold damage. but most people don't even use flat damage because skeles have high base damage.
eg. skele mage @level 25 has 2300-3400 base cold damage.


25% damage reduction is the main nerf.

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kayella wrote:

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ShmooDude wrote:

I think it's too early to say for sure how the balance will shake out without knowing what these new "minion" modifiers are.

Need to wait for patch notes... but I think casual and mid level players will suffer because crafting good minion gear is already difficult (expensive). Why does having a fun time need so much specific crafting?

The big problem of flat damage is minions have high base damage. eg. level 20 skele warrior has 483-1127 damage. Current mod range for flat damage is 16-26? It's about 2% damage.

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Deadandlivin wrote:

Wait, so the 50% more added dmg does not affect the base damage of skeletons?
Always assumed it did since Melee Skeletons does roughly ~50% more dmg than Zombies if you use the same scaling factors and build.

So kinda just assumed they had similar numbers, but GGG added the 50% more added dmg mod to them to increase their scaling since they're summoned minions rather than permanent ones.

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"active_skill_minion_added_damage_+%_final"

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ShmooDude wrote:

Right, but that's because the only source is Ghastly Jewels. They also just nerfed the base damage of all minions, I think (hope) with the intent for flat damage to make up for it.

At highest tier:
Ghastly Jewels ~20-30
Rings ~23-43 (attack)
Wands ~50-90 (spell) or ~100-180 (attack)

So potentially a weapon's flat damage is worth 3-6x Ghastly Jewel mods.

But yeah, as far as crafting difficulty, they said they're improving it, but whether the weighting is such that it's enough to make reasonable items for a reasonable price will determine if this is an issue or not (because you're right, the weighting on convoking wands as it is now is abysmal). Flat damage to spells is currently pretty high weighting on wands, so if the minion version is similar, it might not be too bad to craft.

Of course if they don't add flat damage mods... I think minions will probably end up worse off except for the very high end, which would be sad.

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Vaildez wrote:

My other concern is that +2 minions will essentially greatly inflate the price of summoner chests from people trying to vaal for it.

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I think a lot of people confused about the skele mod.

skele mod looks like this:

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"active_skill_minion_added_damage_+%_final"

It's just for added damage like from Ghastly eye.

Base damage mod doesn't have 'added'

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kayella wrote:

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Vaildez wrote:

My other concern is that +2 minions will essentially greatly inflate the price of summoner chests from people trying to vaal for it.

It's good for temporary minions btw! They can benefit from duration and minion mod.

Could be BiS SRS Body with +2/+2 minion!

or +2/+2 calamity for HoP...

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Vaildez wrote:

I do think the changes with SRS, Phantasm, and Holy relic will make acts a lot less annoying as a minion player. It also helps having availability of minion affix items like weapon early on. I just have a hard time imagining SRS not driving me crazy while mapping.

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kayella wrote:

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Vaildez wrote:

I do think the changes with SRS, Phantasm, and Holy relic will make acts a lot less annoying as a minion player. It also helps having availability of minion affix items like weapon early on. I just have a hard time imagining SRS not driving me crazy while mapping.

Relic seems more like mid game? Need the helmet to get 2 of them and need CDR for optimum activation.

Melee SRS should be OK. It's not too bad for mapping. But recasting all the time was annoying so I switched to golems. I made a new experimental build popcorn build though! Less casting and more automatic summoning. Not sure if it survived the patch yet!