Can cluster jewels make it clear where the notables will be?

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Xavathos wrote:

Having said that, POB works every time, so by design there must be a logic behind it. Otherwise POB wouldn't get it right either.


EDIT:

POB source code lists the values extracted from the game files at https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/src/Data/ClusterJewels.lua#L564

POEDB appears to also list the notables in sort order for each jewel type:
https://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=BaseItemTypes&an=Large+Cluster+Jewel
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Last edited by adghar#1824 on Jul 6, 2021, 8:57:49 PM
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adghar wrote:
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Xavathos wrote:

Having said that, POB works every time, so by design there must be a logic behind it. Otherwise POB wouldn't get it right either.


EDIT:

POB source code lists the values extracted from the game files at https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/src/Data/ClusterJewels.lua#L564

POEDB appears to also list the notables in sort order for each jewel type:
https://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=BaseItemTypes&an=Large+Cluster+Jewel


Oh of course, POB is open source.
Very clever, good stuff mate.

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Last edited by Xavathos#5130 on Jul 6, 2021, 9:51:14 PM

I think middle written notable is always at the back.

So say
- Spiderman
- Superman
- Batman

You get Spiderman and Batman before the jewel sockets.


For me, nice changes:
- Let players decide notables location, so cluster jewel is rotatable.
- Divine orb can be use to roll number of passives (8-12).

For this league many 8 passives Large cluster were like few exalts even without any good 3 notable rolls. Sure mid league you can start to afford them, but I just use a 9 passive instead.
The notables have an internal ID, and they are always ordered by it.

It is worth noting that this is not the "PassiveID" that can be looked up on poedb.

The order in which the notables are listed in the item text does not matter, as that can differ afaik.
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DER_PSYCHOPATH wrote:
The order in which the notables are listed in the item text does not matter, as that can differ afaik.


I can confirm that. I've owned two cluster jewels that had different ordering on the tree than their text suggested, so the text itself is nothing to rely on unfortunately.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
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adghar wrote:


POB source code lists the values extracted from the game files at https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/src/Data/ClusterJewels.lua#L564


Correct me if i'm wrong, so simply explained, each notable have a sorting "weight", if you want a good jewel, make sure the shitty node have the middle weight so it become the furthest node and can be ignore to not waste point. But who have time to check like that.

I wonder why don't they just use alphabet order and have to create these complex and almost random sorting weight, are they running out of stuff to do
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thiendaoxuan wrote:
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adghar wrote:


POB source code lists the values extracted from the game files at https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/src/Data/ClusterJewels.lua#L564


Correct me if i'm wrong, so simply explained, each notable have a sorting "weight", if you want a good jewel, make sure the shitty node have the middle weight so it become the furthest node and can be ignore to not waste point. But who have time to check like that.

I wonder why don't they just use alphabet order and have to create these complex and almost random sorting weight, are they running out of stuff to do


It's cheaper to sort by numbers than alphabetically.

11198 is less than 11293
Precise Commander is less than Prismatic Heart

Even the human brain can sort the numbered version faster than the text.

The second reason is because if they add new notables or rename existing ones, it shouldn't change the ordering.. otherwise that will fuck up builds already using those jewels.
That's one of those threads where GGG should step in and advice :^) Maybe this belongs to the "Gameplay Help and Discussion" - Forum?
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If there are 3 notables on a Cluster Jewel the order of those is dependant on internal IDs. I saw them once on reddit in some datamined info when i chcecked a specific jewel for Deep Cuts.

There is no way ingame to tell with information inside the game before hand.

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