Game Balance in Path of Exile: Ultimatum

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DNKiraGG wrote:

Wait its... its all nerfs?

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FeelThePoveR wrote:

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N4rk0tyk wrote:

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Wdowiak wrote:

Finally some nerfs to those 0.1% :)

Lol. Remember, nerfs to 1% in this case means:

- no more 3-4ex 6 link bases for the plebs
- no more 100 scarabs per 1 ex for the plebs
- no more free fracture services for the plebs
- no more 500 chisels per 1 ex for the plebs, so their average map returns are lower
- no more free split services for the plebs
- less currency overall on the market, hence higher prices (less currency generated by fractured deli/heist)

Keep celebrating nerfs. Nerfing overperforming builds is one thing. Nerfing end game is completely different.

This also means that drops that "plebs" get will also be more valuable.

That breachstone they spent time getting may be finally worth more than 1c since the economy won't be flooded with them as soon as the first hh poison sextans delirium farmer pops up.

Since the economy won't be as flooded, as it usually is, with every type of drop by the top 0.1%, "plebs" may finally be able to get some currency going by selling whatever they will manage to drop and buying something.

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(as you are not your own Enemy).

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N4rk0tyk wrote:

I would love to agree with you, but I can’t. When you look on end game nerfs like these from global perspective, it’s like

A) you won the lottery, but so did everyone else so in result everything got more expensive and we have galloping inflation as supply and demand didn’t change

B) supply changed but demand didn’t, so things got more expensive (low supply) or cheaper (high supply)

These nerfs do very little to the top end players. Some will quit, most will prevail, they will have top tier build by the day 2, farming mirrors when they still less than 100ex, while Johnny Casual will try to navigate his way thru blood aqueducts. By the time the bottom part of the player base get to the maps with those lucky 15c and 1-2 ex, top tier players will be already farming end game. No, Johnny Casual will not have impact on market flooded with pricefixers and flippers in first 72 hours, and will be much much too late to the game after. The only drop worth more from said Johnny is the usual leveling gear in first week or so, don’t bother yourself thinking that for some reason efficient players who can do 6-10 hours a day in game will not be able to farm breach/legion/deli splinters sooner and faster, and setting the price good enough for flipping.


In heist, we seem supply going up, with demand being the sane as player base didn’t grow, so prices on bulk went down and Johnny Casual could buy a lot for cheap. Now, the prices for everything will go up, and if that Johnny casual didn’t know how to make currency back than, he still will not make currency now, more so that affordable fracturing is gone.

Sorry, but no, nothing that 90% of the “normal” player base can farm will make the top tier farmers and flippers suffer. They are effective client with a lot of time for playing (or dual wielding credit cards) and those nerfs do nothing outside of nerfing the game for the common folks. We still will farm same content, only difference bring that because the cost of running it will be higher, the spoils of it will be more expensive.

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N4rk0tyk wrote:

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FeelThePoveR wrote:

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N4rk0tyk wrote:

Lol. Remember, nerfs to 1% in this case means:

- no more 3-4ex 6 link bases for the plebs
- no more 100 scarabs per 1 ex for the plebs
- no more free fracture services for the plebs
- no more 500 chisels per 1 ex for the plebs, so their average map returns are lower
- no more free split services for the plebs
- less currency overall on the market, hence higher prices (less currency generated by fractured deli/heist)

Keep celebrating nerfs. Nerfing overperforming builds is one thing. Nerfing end game is completely different.

This also means that drops that "plebs" get will also be more valuable.

That breachstone they spent time getting may be finally worth more than 1c since the economy won't be flooded with them as soon as the first hh poison sextans delirium farmer pops up.

Since the economy won't be as flooded, as it usually is, with every type of drop by the top 0.1%, "plebs" may finally be able to get some currency going by selling whatever they will manage to drop and buying something.

I would love to agree with you, but I can’t. When you look on end game nerfs like these from global perspective, it’s like

A) you won the lottery, but so did everyone else so in result everything got more expensive and we have galloping inflation as supply and demand didn’t change

B) supply changed but demand didn’t, so things got more expensive (low supply) or cheaper (high supply)

These nerfs do very little to the top end players. Some will quit, most will prevail, they will have top tier build by the day 2, farming mirrors when they still less than 100ex, while Johnny Casual will try to navigate his way thru blood aqueducts. By the time the bottom part of the player base get to the maps with those lucky 15c and 1-2 ex, top tier players will be already farming end game. No, Johnny Casual will not have impact on market flooded with pricefixers and flippers in first 72 hours, and will be much much too late to the game after. The only drop worth more from said Johnny is the usual leveling gear in first week or so, don’t bother yourself thinking that for some reason efficient players who can do 6-10 hours a day in game will not be able to farm breach/legion/deli splinters sooner and faster, and setting the price good enough for flipping.


In heist, we seem supply going up, with demand being the sane as player base didn’t grow, so prices on bulk went down and Johnny Casual could buy a lot for cheap. Now, the prices for everything will go up, and if that Johnny casual didn’t know how to make currency back than, he still will not make currency now, more so that affordable fracturing is gone.

Sorry, but no, nothing that 90% of the “normal” player base can farm will make the top tier farmers and flippers suffer. They are effective client with a lot of time for playing (or dual wielding credit cards) and those nerfs do nothing outside of nerfing the game for the common folks. We still will farm same content, only difference bring that because the cost of running it will be higher, the spoils of it will be more expensive.