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noxiousice wrote:

Hey Gang,

Probably too late in the thread to have anyone from GGG reading but here goes anyway.

Thank you for removing the guard-killing-raises-alert thing. It was not great, but that's really only a half measure to fixing Heist. Fixing this helps kill an unhealthy gameplay loop, but doesn't fix that Heist just isn't all that fun during the actual heist itself.

During a Heist you go in, grab every chest you can fit into the alert bar, hit the big thing at the end, and get out. That's the loop. In that process no decisions you make affect the difficulty of getting out at the end, no decisions affect your risk vs reward, and there is no room to make on the fly decisions about how much more or less risk you want to take on. You will always take the labeled chests over unlabeled ones. The closest thing to managing any level of anything is if you clear out the patrols or not (which you now always will because there is no alert penalty for doing so).

I think that the problem is that we need things happening in the heist that affect the difficulty of the escape portion in a meaningful way. My suggestion would be to have the difficulty of the escape be multiplied by the level of the alert before activating the escape phase. This would mean that each chest we open adds to the end difficulty in a visible way, and gives us an increased reward at an increased risk. Its a decision you can make moment to moment, and gives us a reason to sometimes not try to grab every chest.

The guards still need tweaks by the way. It doesn't really work to not have guards generate any alert level. I think that instead of granting alert level on death, they should grant alert level for every 1-2s you're in combat with them (adding 0 alert if killed before the first alert tick). This both thematically makes sense (the longer you're in combat the more likely someone is to notice), and still gives us a reason to avoid patrols.

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Kitty_Aluria wrote:

First time posting for this game, to be fair my playing of this game is pretty new still so i am not sure how much my voice or thoughts matter over those with hours invested into the game.

With seeing the expansion of heists with my boyfriend we were excited to try this out cause we liked the heists from gta5 but hey get to rob things in demon infested worlds guards and other crazy people with a dungeon crawler aspect now who wouldnt like that!!! At first it was fun the thrill of sneaking about timing patrols to go around a corner picking off guards which was weird cause we take out one of the two and the other one was praying that he didnt make eye contact, like a pokemon trainer, cause then they would have to do battle to keep their minimum pay of scrolls of wisdom or chaos orbs. However recently going back through we thought the alert level thing was a bug that we were not getting alerted to guards at all figured we had a modifier on our contracts or something that made it lower but only to learn at the end of our gaming session it got nix'd

As much fun as heists are taking out an alert level just feels wrong in a game about stealing other peoples smoking pipes, or heart coils, or magical urns. mean how does your alert level go up if you kill all the guards and open a chest and it goes up who the heck heard it open!!! is there a tiny void owl watching xD.

I honestly feel the alert level needs to be adjusted in the game and replanted back in other wise people just gonna charge in with Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture playing while shooting lighting from their finger tips and leap slamming over door arcs. Could probably add in watch dogs too or something, that just follow you relentlessly and if they find you just boom automatic full alert or half a bar, cause even as it is just running full getting all the loots you can get your little filthy pleby exile hands on at the end the bars no where near full when your at the vault might be different for grand heists have yet to try those but please add in guards detection levels meter fills it needs it!!!

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Keirby wrote:

Hexblast has great aoe clear but feels really bad single target. Because of the new Doom mechanic and how hexblast interacts with hexes there is 0 reason to invest in additional curses which again, feels bad. In addition, building for hexblast you inevitably also invest in curses and curse duration which is then useless because hexblast is just removing the hex.

My proposed solution to making Hexblast feel good and fun is to have it not remove the Hex. Let hexblast remove the doom that has accumulated but keep the hex in place. This way you benefit from having a long curse duration, because less casts of the curse but still requires the same time investment to get the damage from hexblast. This would also benefit or maybe even encourage investment into multiple curses and self casting each of them. It would also be purely a single target buff since aoe is so good that you never cast more than 1 hexblast anyways.

Now obviously this is a significant change and buff to the spell so i'd imagine some balancing to the numbers might be in order as well.