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Faendris wrote:

An update about the gloves:

I now switched to this setup:

This gives me a total of 94% cold pen and 118k armour. The latter easily puts me above th 90% phys cap at lvl 100 (knowing that armour is complex and does not do flat reduction) so I specced out of guardian and into assassin. I guess for EK it might make sense to consider deadeye (if you want pierce and not chain). In any case that setup gives you a free sub-ascendency :) in addition to two links worth of penetration.

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Jix_91 wrote:

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Faendris wrote:

An update about the gloves:


Thats your phys reduction vs a bigger hit :D I wouldnt do that ever...

Interesting! Guess I need to do some more testing how often I actually see those hits. I am also confused by the fomula given in the wiki.

Shaper does about 17.1 k damage with its slam. According to the formula in the wiki this should lead to a damage reduction of about 40%. Yet I still only took about 4k damage from the slam. Am I missing something?

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Faendris wrote:

Did some testing, since armour phys reduction is no a straight percentage mitigation. With 118k armor (and no guardian ascendancey) a shaper slam does about 4k damage (its really hard to get that sucker to hit you with all that evasion). I guess that is good enough to not also use guardian as an ascendancy (which provides flat phys reduction and is thus independent of the amount of damage taken).

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Jix_91 wrote:

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Faendris wrote:

Did some testing, since armour phys reduction is no a straight percentage mitigation. With 118k armor (and no guardian ascendancey) a shaper slam does about 4k damage (its really hard to get that sucker to hit you with all that evasion). I guess that is good enough to not also use guardian as an ascendancy (which provides flat phys reduction and is thus independent of the amount of damage taken).

I mean if shaper slam is your measurement then sure that amount of armour is fine... there are much bigger hits in the game though. I'd always prefer flat physical reduction

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Faendris wrote:

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Jix_91 wrote:

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Faendris wrote:

Did some testing, since armour phys reduction is no a straight percentage mitigation. With 118k armor (and no guardian ascendancey) a shaper slam does about 4k damage (its really hard to get that sucker to hit you with all that evasion). I guess that is good enough to not also use guardian as an ascendancy (which provides flat phys reduction and is thus independent of the amount of damage taken).

I mean if shaper slam is your measurement then sure that amount of armour is fine... there are much bigger hits in the game though. I'd always prefer flat physical reduction

Its just a reliable and well known source of damage to do experiments on, not a goal.

I try to verify/understand the impact of armour. According to the Wiki shaper does 5689 phys damage. The slam does 300% of that. That is about 17.1k damage.

The mitigation according to the wiki is then: 118/(118+10*17.1) which is about 41%. Therefore the slam should hit me for 10.1k. But it does not. It hits for about 4k. I am trying to understand what I am missing.

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Faendris wrote:

Ahhhh but i want to understand the math invlved here. And I guess I do now.

I have done the following tests:

Slam with 116k armor, no guardian: about 4k
Slam with guardian (50% flat reduction), no armor: about 4.5k
Slam with guardian and 60k armor (without the +1 gems buff): about 1.2k
Slam with guardian and 116k armor: 0.9k

My assumption about the damage of the slam was wrong. It appears to be 9k not 17.1k.

Now that I know how to calculate this, here is the stuff that is important for me:

If you have 6k es, 116k armour and no guardian the maximum phys hit that you can survive is about 12k, if you have 0 armour and guardian it is also 12k, if you have guardian and 60k armour it is about 21k and if you have guardian and 116k armour it is 28.5k.

As a consequence it makes a lot of sense to have guardian and amour and using the setup with the +1 gloves increases your survivability substantially (by more than 7k). I am respeccing to guardian and I keep believing in the +1 maligaros.

Fun fact: i killed two shapers for this. Both dropped the flask :).