[3.11] VOC - BANE BLOOM - 325% Despair - Occultist (Updated for Harvest)

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KingJerbear wrote:

How exactly are you getting 15 stacks of Wither?

3 different ways

1 - Occultist Ascendancy (primary way) - always passively stacking, and my duration is huge

2 - Trigger socketed wand - I used 3 diff wands depending on what I am doing

3 - Spell Totem wither (for bossing i swap gems in shield for spell totem wither)

for 99% of content the Ascendency passive withering is more than enough since it all dies in 1 shot even the guardian map bosses, etc.

Can you tell me why using Assassin's mark ? Power charge have no impact on DoT and against boss, there is no gain of mana/life. ? except with vaal breach but is it really worth ?

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Tirlipop wrote:

Can you tell me why using Assassin's mark ? Power charge have no impact on DoT and against boss, there is no gain of mana/life. ? except with vaal breach but is it really worth ?

It is the least utility curse... you are right... and it is not 100% needed.

But I have tried extensively with and without...

I would say 2 reasons;

1- It's about 70 mana on kill

2- Profane Bloom crits

Isn't Touch of Cruelty a dead notable for this build if you go strictly bane or am I not getting something?

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Retodd wrote:

Isn't Touch of Cruelty a dead notable for this build if you go strictly bane or am I not getting something?

This is a good question, and one I have debated a lot and tested as much as is possible with the best test results in the PVP arena with some friends just trying to isolate this node.

Ultimate, I believe it is functioning as I will describe below.

So here is an image of the node;



So the first part of the node is relatively worthless for me as I DO NOT HIT WITH BANE... bane applies a DOT.

However... the second part ... says "Enemies Hindered by you take 10% increased damage"

Well... I used to think that WITHERING PRESENCE applied a hinder... but a dev clarified on the forums that even though it says HINDER it does not apply a hinder;



But it would not really matter because that form of HINDER is too slow for 99% of what I care about.

So I found an instant solution with 100% uptime through DARK DISCOURSE;



AS FAR AS I CAN TELL... The DARK DISCOURSE HINDER instantly triggers the 20% increased damage taken tag from TOUCH OF CRUELTY.


If anyone can VERIFY or REFUTE this with some test, video, forum post 100% I would love to know with certainty... but for now I think it is working.

Also, I do hit a ton with Profane Bloom... so regardless of the above it is not a completely wasted node.

Thanks for the very good question and observaiton.

VOC




FOLLOW UP - I MADE A POST ON THE HELP FORUM TRYING TO SEEK CLARIFICATION ON THIS ISSUE FROM A DEV (https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2905385)

I missed that Dark Disclosure applied a Hinder. That's a pretty slick work around. So if I don't have a Dark Disclosure notable avoid Touch of Cruelty.

I can understand why Withering Presence does not apply for Touch of Cruelty as the Withered debuff is not the Hindered debuff.

I think we might skill need to determine if the "pops" from Profane Bloom count as Chaos Skill hits. Side note do you know if they can critical hit?

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Retodd wrote:

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I think we might skill need to determine if the "pops" from Profane Bloom count as Chaos Skill hits. Side note do you know if they can critical hit?

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I have confirmed long ago that YES Profane Bloom can crit and can be crit boosted as long as the Crit Chance is a global Crit Chance, which Assassin Mark is.

New wand finished , takes BANE dps from 6 Mil almost up to 7 Mil

Looks interesting and fun, saving for next league, is this viable as a league starter and is there a more detailed explanation as what to look for in gear as intermediaries until you have the currency for the bigger items? Had a bad experience with a guide that advertised itself as a perfect starter but relied on a 6 ex item to even be viable in T13+.

Regards

How u get the enchat of the helmet, i try 10 times and never give me it that enchanment?