[3.10] Ewpewww's 'budget' CoC Arc Herald Stacker - >10 mil shaper DPS for as cheap as ~15ex

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Ewpew wrote:

Hey man, thanks for checking out the build guide!

I took a quick look at your POB, and my suggestion is as such:
- You should have as many reduced mana reserved jewels for the build. I think it should be preferred to Heraldry - you have one more Heraldry than you need actually.. I took out one and I think your mana reservations are still ok
- I don't think ES is the best way to scale survivability for where you are in the build - 5.8k should be sufficient to tank most 1-shots in the game given 90% max elemental resistance.
- If you want more survivability, I suggest going for CI version of the build / fitting in replenishing presence for that sick ES regen
- If you want more ES, you can take insightfulness or melding (with energy from within in socket nearby

To calculate DPS, if you are at 52% cooldown recovery, and 10aps, then it is 10 casts per second. I would take the average hit from arc/whatever spell that you are getting from POB, and multiply that by 10. With regards to configuration, I like to stay on conservative side, typically:
- Enable all flasks - they should be up when you are fighting bosses
- All charges since you get charge generation from guardian ascendancy
- I wouldn't enable shock haha that ailment is difficult to understand and can be misleading

On your question on APS, yes you want to maintain APS below 10 so I wouldn't pop vaal haste unless it gets you to an attack speed that allows 10 casts per second too at 52% cooldown recovery. Suggest you check out the CoC breakpoint section and play with the calculator!

Let me know if you have any more questions - feel free to pop by the stream to ask them if you want quicker responses.

Hope this is helpful!


Thanks for quick answer! Will check out your stream definitely. I'v already switched PH/Heraldry to PH/Replenishing Presence, thanks for tip!

I'v also played a bit with jewels, basicly switched precision from life to mana, and purity of ice from mana to life. It allowed me to drop Pure Gile jewel and free 3 skill points, so I could take Melding nodes + Energy which gave me total of 6.9k ES

From what I understand, I should focus on getting more RMR jewels now? Which will free another mana reduced points I can invest them somewhere else? For example in dropping another Heraldry and picking up Replenishing Presence?

About vaal haste, speed buff is too good to drop it, and tbh With 4.5m average Arc dps everything dies instantly so it doesnt matter, Ill just skip vaal haste on bosses.

About charges - you suggest going Harmony of Purpose instead of Bastion of Hope? If I care about def only at that point, isnt block better than endurance charges?

Final question about links, Awakened Added Lightning over Cold pen? According to POB its a bit over 0.3 milion average arc dps more.
With 80% crit chance and 10 aps its about 2.5~ milion dps?
Is there any reason not to go for it?
Last edited by maciek2g#7691 on May 16, 2020, 9:21:47 AM
hey man we can use skyforth??
Question... once you've upgraded from 6 passive medium cluster to 4-5 cluster PH jewel... what is the recommended 2nd passive to get? I checked other builds and Endbringer and Heraldry seem to be the choices to get. The question is... how many of each should you have or is this dependent on the number of herald's you're trying to run?

I assume there has to be some limit on the # of Heraldry's though...

Thanks!
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Ewpew wrote:
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Einstein_Jnr wrote:
Tried to get the CI to accomodate the current aura, not able to even with enlighten4, 15% reduce zealotry enchant onhelm. Looks like CI would need alot of 1% reduce mana gems! Could make it work with 7 1% reduced mana gems but without vitality. Could do t16 100% delirous with beyond. Howover, the damage loss is about 62% (30% spell + RF+ grand spectrums I sacrifised for 1% gems) which is huge! I am gonna go back to low life for now and enjoy the dps.


Hey, thanks for sharing these findings! Other ways you can explore to lower your mana reservation is to get Pure Might / Guide / Aptitude along with Purposeful Harbinger! Also, make sure your Saqawal's nest is max-rolled in terms of reduced mana reserved. But as you have rightly pointed out, you lose quite a bit of damage. I recommend making the switch when you reach the max breakpoint for CoC with awakened CoC gem. Hope this helps!

Best,
Ewpew


After some events I finally shifted back to CI version. I am at 10.07 aps with 52CDR. Not sure how much dps I lost but I thinks its still alright.
I have used: might of the meek (cheap implicit) and a total nine 1% implicit gems. I have a 15% zealotry enchant on helm. I can include all auras plus I have mana enough to add aspect of avian in future. Got some help from poe.ninja build.

You guide/comments were very useful. Cheers![/quote]

Glad the build worked out for you![/quote]

An additional feedback here is that I lost the armour while switching to CI and had to add granite flask to make phys damage reduction cap (only needed for phy bosses I guess).
Last edited by Einstein_Jnr#4772 on May 16, 2020, 11:22:26 AM
Hello and thanks for the build. Just trying to get it together now and I had a quick question -- do you think you can get away with a 5L Shav's and leave out the Energy Leach or should I just be saving up for the 6L? I'm on console so prices are way more expensive and I'm trying to save some currency here.
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maciek2g wrote:
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Ewpew wrote:

Hey man, thanks for checking out the build guide!

I took a quick look at your POB, and my suggestion is as such:
- You should have as many reduced mana reserved jewels for the build. I think it should be preferred to Heraldry - you have one more Heraldry than you need actually.. I took out one and I think your mana reservations are still ok
- I don't think ES is the best way to scale survivability for where you are in the build - 5.8k should be sufficient to tank most 1-shots in the game given 90% max elemental resistance.
- If you want more survivability, I suggest going for CI version of the build / fitting in replenishing presence for that sick ES regen
- If you want more ES, you can take insightfulness or melding (with energy from within in socket nearby

To calculate DPS, if you are at 52% cooldown recovery, and 10aps, then it is 10 casts per second. I would take the average hit from arc/whatever spell that you are getting from POB, and multiply that by 10. With regards to configuration, I like to stay on conservative side, typically:
- Enable all flasks - they should be up when you are fighting bosses
- All charges since you get charge generation from guardian ascendancy
- I wouldn't enable shock haha that ailment is difficult to understand and can be misleading

On your question on APS, yes you want to maintain APS below 10 so I wouldn't pop vaal haste unless it gets you to an attack speed that allows 10 casts per second too at 52% cooldown recovery. Suggest you check out the CoC breakpoint section and play with the calculator!

Let me know if you have any more questions - feel free to pop by the stream to ask them if you want quicker responses.

Hope this is helpful!


Thanks for quick answer! Will check out your stream definitely. I'v already switched PH/Heraldry to PH/Replenishing Presence, thanks for tip!

I'v also played a bit with jewels, basicly switched precision from life to mana, and purity of ice from mana to life. It allowed me to drop Pure Gile jewel and free 3 skill points, so I could take Melding nodes + Energy which gave me total of 6.9k ES

From what I understand, I should focus on getting more RMR jewels now? Which will free another mana reduced points I can invest them somewhere else? For example in dropping another Heraldry and picking up Replenishing Presence?

About vaal haste, speed buff is too good to drop it, and tbh With 4.5m average Arc dps everything dies instantly so it doesnt matter, Ill just skip vaal haste on bosses.

About charges - you suggest going Harmony of Purpose instead of Bastion of Hope? If I care about def only at that point, isnt block better than endurance charges?

Final question about links, Awakened Added Lightning over Cold pen? According to POB its a bit over 0.3 milion average arc dps more.
With 80% crit chance and 10 aps its about 2.5~ milion dps?
Is there any reason not to go for it?


Hey!

Your changes sound good, also agree with your point on vaal haste. By the way, if you run into a boss with vaal haste on, you can right click the icon at top to cancel it. With RMR: I don't think you will be able to do without the RMR skill points on skill tree, they are too valuable - but you are right, you would want to switch out Heraldry for Replenishing Presence / Endbringers over time!

For Guardian Ascendancy, if you care about defences then block is good! But I prefer the charges because of how block works - the higher your block is, the more valuable the next 1% of block is. However, it is quite hard to cap block in this build (even with with Rumi's). Typically, I don't like to invest in block unless i can get to 60-70% spell + attack block. For charges, you also get frenzy + power charges, which can add a lot of damage to the build. However, this might be personal preference.

I haven't tested with awakened added lightning but on my POB awakened cold penetration does a lot more dmg.. are you looking at normal dps or boss (shaper/sirus) dps? Against monsters with high resistances, cold penetration does wonders!

Hope this is helpful!
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leafaro wrote:
hey man we can use skyforth??


Someone asked a similar question before so I'm copying my old response:

So Skyforth also has a mod that says "You have no life regeneration" - so basically, you will lose aura effect of vitality, which is huge for the build in terms of suvivability. If you have replenishing presence notables on top of that, they lose their effect too.

Personally, I would not recommend Skyforth.

Hope this is helpful!

Cheers,
Ewpew
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shimmishim wrote:
Question... once you've upgraded from 6 passive medium cluster to 4-5 cluster PH jewel... what is the recommended 2nd passive to get? I checked other builds and Endbringer and Heraldry seem to be the choices to get. The question is... how many of each should you have or is this dependent on the number of herald's you're trying to run?

I assume there has to be some limit on the # of Heraldry's though...

Thanks!


Hey there, thanks for checking out the guide! To answer your questions, I think it really depends on your preference.. I would test things out on POB and ask myself the following:

- Do i need to fit in more auras? If yes, go Heraldry
- Do i want to do more damage? If yes, go Endbringer
- Do i want to have more survivability? If yes, go Replenishing Presence

Hope this helps! Lmk if any more questions.
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Ewpew wrote:
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shimmishim wrote:
Question... once you've upgraded from 6 passive medium cluster to 4-5 cluster PH jewel... what is the recommended 2nd passive to get? I checked other builds and Endbringer and Heraldry seem to be the choices to get. The question is... how many of each should you have or is this dependent on the number of herald's you're trying to run?

I assume there has to be some limit on the # of Heraldry's though...

Thanks!


Hey there, thanks for checking out the guide! To answer your questions, I think it really depends on your preference.. I would test things out on POB and ask myself the following:

- Do i need to fit in more auras? If yes, go Heraldry
- Do i want to do more damage? If yes, go Endbringer
- Do i want to have more survivability? If yes, go Replenishing Presence

Hope this helps! Lmk if any more questions.


To add on, when you play around on POB and see that Heraldry is no longer helping you reduce mana reservation, that is a good time to stop allocating Heraldry :)
i can go with EK with that items, just chaning colour of shavs?

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