Hate to break it to you but cluster jewels aren't really that good right now.
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If cluster jewels doesnt improve your build somehow you probably havent tested their potential good enough and are limited by your own lack of game knowledge.
First of all you have know how to use path of building for testing. https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/deon82/localidentitys_path_of_building_v141514_fork/ Second you have to find out what cluster jewel notables would most benefit your specific build by looking at the notable stats on poe.db http://poedb.tw/us/skilltree.php?cn=Cluster+Jewel Then you must create or import the jewels into path of building and see what skill points you can remove from your tree that will give a better benefit with cluster jewels. This requires time and thinking to get insight into the benefit and value of the new jewels. Kitty's Guide On Post Formatting - view-thread/1913874 Last edited by Dkodr#6088 on Mar 23, 2020, 10:15:36 AM
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Can I ask anyone how they are theory crafting in pob with cluster jewels?
The ones I have don't calculate anything even though they show up. One large, one medium. It gives me the one jewel I have at the end. I have the Community fork, it doesn't do anything automatically that I can tell. I honestly don't know if I am doing better than the guide I was working from but wanted to know what you guys do. I feel like I probably made a mistake in notables but it is minor, there is another one better. And I probably should have small life socket at the end but haven't checked small cluster prices. In my own observation, I think normal path building gives you attribute points naturally and stacking all in one place you wind up short. I was very short on INT and it was a compromise on gear to find like 60 INT. Last edited by raziekeljr#3483 on Mar 23, 2020, 2:06:07 PM
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" First you need to know what passives you want. I use poedb to find out what mods are associated to what jewels. then I just craft these jewels in PoB.. they work fine there to OP: I disagree, in fact they are broken AF.. especially when stacking the same passives from medium jewels. I think the stacking will be nerfed soon (limited to 2 or something) on large jewel, yo want 2 sockets and 8-9 small passives with 2-3 notables. this way you dont spend as much on small passives. same with medium jewels, 4-5 passives including socket and 2 notables. now you got small jewels where you actually save some points, because you use them for life passives you would have to travel for otherwise. IGN: Eric_Lindros CET: Timezone Last edited by Ludvator#6587 on Mar 23, 2020, 2:33:13 PM
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" The broken ones are very specific cases and as you said something that probably isn't intended. So if they go and make it where you can only have 1 of the same notable allocated once then that already changes a lot of things. Just because you can stack the herald ones, aura effect ones, and I believe curses? Sorry I'm not too sure about the third one but this doesn't make the jewels broken overall. I'm not saying they're completely useless either, I just stated they aren't as good as people make them out to be. Of course if you do have tons of money, and time to invest you can make a more efficient tree with these jewels but again most people will be rolling around with mediocre to above average jewels. I like Boem's response best as that's really one of the only things these jewels do extremely well. |
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These things can be crazy, I'm trying to stack tons of mana and energy shield then use Eldritch Battery for arcane cloak.
I just exalted that energy shield on earlier. The notable is 10% increased energy shield and 8% increased life, and those other bonus stats are all mandatory for what I'm doing. That's awesome bonuses for just three points, leading from five that give 24% lightning, 20% elemental, 10% AoE, 8% penetration and .3% ES leech. These things just let you bundle all your build requirements in one place. Need a new signature, cuz name change. I dunno though. I guess this seems fine. Yeah, this is good.
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They're not useless, but the only good notables are the ones that offer stuff you can't get anywhere else and the jewel needs to be rolled well (8 passive larges with 2 sockets and 3 notables or 4 passive mediums with 2 notables and a socket). Generic damage notables don't offer enough value to be worth it. You have to go after at least one of the select few that function more multipliers and the stuff you can't get anywhere else like Elemental Leech, +1 Impale, 10% cold pen vs chilled, 8% lightning pen, etc.
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I don't know why people keep throwing the word "useless" around. I never said they were useless, just not really that good with how the mechanics work to getting them started. My main point was having to be restricted to the outside of the tree, then having to invest 3 points granting practically nothing before starting the whole process. Most builds are around 2 jewel slots that would require 1 passive point to grant an immediate benefit. The cluster jewels do open up some new possibilities but again it's more restrictive than nonrestrictive.
Most cluster jewels aren't going to be much better than a jewel if they're not above average. Most of them are going to probably require the same amount of money an endgame jewel would cost with a smaller investment compared to cluster jewels. Scion is probably hurt the most from the restrictiveness of how the cluster jewels were implemented currently. |
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" I got a cluster jewel that gives crit chance/multi/damage on channeled skills. For dual wielding swords, this let's me spec fully onto the left side of the passive tree for some defense without going to the major sword cluster all the way on the right side. It saves passive points. Also can just annoint one of the major crit nodes from the right anyway so I'm not missing out on much anymore. |
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Disable the cluster jewel on my tree and tell me they're not worth it. I dare you.
https://pastebin.com/NfcDD6DB Sitting in HO spamming alts for 4 hours straight is peak PoE gameplay. Thanks, Chris. Last edited by Ydoum#5726 on Mar 23, 2020, 10:14:22 PM
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" Oh great now I need to go read up on notables again, those are some nice poisoner dps from that large one. And Thread of Hope appears to be a huge boost. Community Fork got an update so maybe I will do some better planning now. And probably respec. |
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