Corona virus

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essemoni wrote:

In the bakery today - a Woman came in - and said, and I quote.

"I've been visiting a friend who just came back from Italy. She's in isolation so I decided to come here and grab 2 coffees and a cake to take away'

So much. For fucking. Isolation.


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Matt

Let's give her the benefit of the doubt. Maybe she's sitting a fair way away from her friend in the house, wiping down various surfaces after touching them, washing her hands thoroughly regularly. It is possible. Just because some of us are acting like it's airborne (because we can, and because overreacting trumps underreacting when your life is potentially at risk) doesn't mean it really is.

THAT SAID, we both know that's probably not the case. This is all so very inconvenient, isn't it?

I don't mean that facetiously. Were I not totally isolated and comfortably so, and were I not at risk, would I take all the precautions they're saying we should take in a work space? Wiping my keyboard down regularly, my phone, my desk, anything I touch? Go to the bathroom to wash my hands regularly? NOT TOUCH MY FACE? I'd try. I'd definitely try. But I'm pretty sure I'd slip. I'm taking advantage of the fact that I'm in a vacuum to touch my face a lot. To not wash my hands every hour. To happily open and close doors without wiping them down with alcohol wipes.

But perhaps you'd say, well, at least I'd be making an effort, right? Well, sure. At least there's that. Personally I think forced isolation/lock-down is preferable if it can be made viable, because we're lazy, forgetful fucks who really can't be trusted to act like germophobes 24/7 after living a privileged life of close contact and, well, slobbery.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

I read articles like this one every day, not by choice. It always comes down to 2 things - citing how many people die from every other disease and calamity or claiming that the state of emergency gives the government too much power, which they can use. In theory.

Eventually I got completely desensitized to all this. Call me again when there is an actual proof of governments seizing more power because of the disease.

I compulsively check the bias of any site before giving anything on it too much credence. Any site that skews too far left or right, I am like -- yeah, okay, you're pushing a political agenda here that does not align with the general benefit of humanity. There are more than enough sources out there committed to presenting the facts with either no agenda or a focus on analysis with the well-being of the population in mind.

best part is i´m winning a mobile cellphone now every second day.

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Maybe they didn´t get the memo that i could buy one myself if i prefered to be tracked all the time. Yesterday i had to drive my brothers Ford Focus back, he told me to late that i need my glasses, through the rainy night, couldn´t see shit for a hour, with just the backlights of his porsche to orient, i´m way to criminal.

I hope their study on movement of people during quarantine isn´t impacted by my decision to stay out of the system. :)

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Eventually I got completely desensitized to all this. Call me again when there is an actual proof of governments seizing more power because of the disease.

Pointing out this is a dangerous time for goverment to take more power seems common sense to me.

It's what happened in every crisis situation we know off, the people give up some amount of freedom to the goverment to tackle the situation and it never gets turned back after the crisis passes.

There are some historical cases where the power was eventually returned to the people, but its much less common.

The pension seems like a perfect example of this, originally intruced to get people true the post-war period and then instituted and now normalized and something people consider "common".
Talking to any human being pre-war times, they would laugh in your face when you told them the goverment had a responsibility to take care of you in your old age.

I'm very critical of new goverment "think tanks" being pushed and "crisis centra" being instituted, because like all of those things they will take tax money and not be removed when the situation passes being a permanent burden on society.

People being a counter-weight to these things, if reasonably voiced are fine by me. somebody needs to keep the liberty vs rule balance in check.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

Meanwhile in Australia, we're putting billions towards bailing out airlines, because apparently they were struggling until now or something.

Don't worry, trade will just happen via land mass to australia when the airlines crash due to the economic shock on the travel sector.

Peace,

-Boem-

The problem with keeping the government in check is that it always involves trying to present the situation in a way thats not as bad as the government presents it when in reality it might be worse. The last thing we want is to give easily influenced people more reasons to go out and do whatever they want

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Johny_Snow wrote:

The problem with keeping the government in check is that it always involves trying to present the situation in a way thats not as bad as the government presents it when in reality it might be worse. The last thing we want is to give easily influenced people more reasons to go out and do whatever they want

Not quite, because its relatively easy to make a rational and critically argumented case that once the global GDP shrinks x% the total life lost will be higher then what the virus will cost in human life.

So you can actually make a far worse case for the future then what the goverment is currently presenting.

But its a case of "the good thing triumphs over the right thing in a time of crisis".

Because everybody is reacting highly emotional to the crisis which allows irrational decisions to be mainstreamed.

Dont take this as a justification for people to do as they please, i am for a quarantine event, but it all depends on the duration of that event to justify its existence.
Once a time treshhold is reached the costs of the quarantine will overtake the costs of the virus realistically speaking so we have a window of time to do what we are currently doing but without a structure and solid plan behind it its irrational.

So the fear of people watching the economics and potential human tragedy as a consequence of this quarantine aren't making void or "emotionless" or "inhumane" claims, they are in fact concerned with milions of family's getting into a spiral of dispair because of the lay-offs in the time to come and already happening.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Call me again when there is an actual proof of governments seizing more power because of the disease.

your definition of "actual proof" would probably never be fulfilled lol
if you think it could be, just read a history book.

did you not live through all the gun control shit after every single shooting?
did you not live through 9/11 and the crap that brought to the table?

it isn't necessarily that the government causes things to happen, but never let a good crisis go to waste. they definitely seize the opportunity

one single event in 2001 single handedly got a country unified to go to war and nearly instate martial law in their home towns.

you constantly, and probably GLADLY, sign/vote over your rights and freedoms over the illusion that the government will keep you safe. mind-boggling.

Meh, the projections don't account for the complete collapse of the healthcare system if we let the virus do whatever it wants. You think people will work when others are dying on the streets because there is not a single bed left at the hospitals? You think there wont be riots? That supposed movement where we kinda let the virus do its thing and we keep on living our lives is impossible to achieve.

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did you not live through all the gun control shit after every single shooting?
did you not live through 9/11 and the crap that brought to the table?

I think this was a wake up call.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Meh, the projections don't account for the complete collapse of the healthcare system if we let the virus do whatever it wants. You think people will work when others are dying on the streets because there is not a single bed left at the hospitals? You think there wont be riots? That supposed movement where we kinda let the virus do its thing and we keep on living our lives is impossible to achieve.

Just re-read what your saying.

Millions of people die every year to diseases and people continue to work.

You seen any riots recently against cancer, how about against ebola in afrika?
Your story doesn't pass a simple check with reality, sorry.

don't mistake the significance of this event given by the media and perpetuation on social fora with its actual significance.
It's like looking at whats trending on twitter and thinking thats the top stuff of the day going on.

Also my point is that even in a worse case scenario with the virus, the potential for economical destruction if this quarantine is prolonged will be greater at a certain threshhold, i assume experts are currently trying to determine that threshhold.

Like i mentioned earlier in this thread, current global gdp shrink at 10% is twice that of the economical shrink during WWI.
And its unlikely to stop at 10%, more realistic numbers are five times the shrink of WWI on a global scale.

A shrink like that if sustained for long can easily dwarf the worst case scenario projections of covid running rampant in a society.

Again, these are probably things experts are contemplating currently to find a solid middle-ground that takes the best of both outcomes because every choice in life is a trade-off for something else.

Peace,

-Boem-

I've personally seen someone being kicked out of a bus because he was coughing. This was before the thing even became a pandemic.

Another thing, we already know that social isolation works, we have no idea if the complete collapse of the healthcare system will.