Changes to Spectres and Movement Skills in Path of Exile: Delirium

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kikeuy wrote:

"Lightning Warp has had its cast time lowered and has a higher value of reduced Skill Effect Duration than before. This makes it easier to invest in but still requires more character investment than other movement skills as a trade-off for having no cooldown."
Salutations exile.

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Exile009 wrote:

Unless Dash and Frostblink can travel as far as Flame Dash, they're still gonna be outclassed by Flame Dash. And even if they can, the difference in charges means Flame Dash will still be highly tempting. And then you add a support gem that works as well for the stronger movement skills as it does for the weaker ones. How is that meant to change the meta?

Then Lightning Warp - you've just doubled down on what you did last time despite it failing miserably. Have you ever noticed how many people link Arcane Surge to their Flame Dash? Now try doing that with Lightning Warp + Less Duration. No more Arcane Surge. So maybe (MAYBE!) now we won't need Less Duration. But no, Lightning Warp itself also has reduced duration as part of the skill, which will gut your Arcane Surge even then. This skill is still gonna be dead in the water. Just enough with the duration shenanigans already! You have here a skill that by all rights has every advantage over other options but is still barely used because of an forced impediment you've placed on it that so hampers it that people just ignore it completely. And your fix for that is ... more of the same.

Spectre changes sound great tho. Hopefully the AI works well. Kudos on that!

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narpose wrote:

Second wind seems good at first, but from what I'm reading it adds a cool down, which may seem impractical if you're using a movement skill without a cool down.

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KingxOfxThexVoid wrote:

I like the extra specters
Do love a balanced army can we get skeleton archers next to the melee and caster ones and maybe a bigger flaming skull kind of minion

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Bex_GGG wrote:

The new Second Wind support adds an additional cooldown count to skills that already have a cooldown

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Bex_GGG wrote:

(excluding instant or triggered skills)

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Bex_GGG wrote:

Frostblink ... It can't be supported by Second Wind because it is instant.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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Bex_GGG wrote:

We've added over 350 new monster types to the pool of possible monsters which can be used for Spectres. !!(stopped reading due to hype overload - element274)!!

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Rexeos wrote:

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kikeuy wrote:

"Lightning Warp has had its cast time lowered and has a higher value of reduced Skill Effect Duration than before. This makes it easier to invest in but still requires more character investment than other movement skills as a trade-off for having no cooldown."
Salutations exile.

What do u expect from this? I see that as a nerf.

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Exile009 wrote:

Unless Dash and Frostblink can travel as far as Flame Dash, they're still gonna be outclassed by Flame Dash. And even if they can, the difference in charges means Flame Dash will still be highly tempting. And then you add a support gem that works as well for the stronger movement skills as it does for the weaker ones. How is that meant to change the meta?

Then Lightning Warp - you've just doubled down on what you did last time despite it failing miserably. Have you ever noticed how many people link Arcane Surge to their Flame Dash? Now try doing that with Lightning Warp + Less Duration. No more Arcane Surge. So maybe (MAYBE!) now we won't need Less Duration. But no, Lightning Warp itself also has reduced duration as part of the skill, which will gut your Arcane Surge even then. This skill is still gonna be dead in the water. Just enough with the duration shenanigans already! You have here a skill that by all rights has every advantage over other options but is still barely used because of an forced impediment you've placed on it that so hampers it that people just ignore it completely. And your fix for that is ... more of the same.

Spectre changes sound great tho. Hopefully the AI works well. Kudos on that!

I think they maybe try more people to use it, but in the end its a pure nerf imo. Slower cast sped means slower reaction times. Some other movement gems have better initiation times to move from place..

I am curious how much they nerf cast speed...

Actually they could buff both if goal was to make more players to use it..

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Exile009 wrote:

You seem to have misunderstood. They haven't lowered the cast speed, but the cast time. That means it now takes less time to cast aka this is effectively an increase in its base cast speed. Fyi, Lightning Warp has a base cast time of 0.8, Flame Dash 0.7. Ever noticed why Flame Dash seems more responsive? Yeah, that's why. By lowering Lightning Warps' cast time, they're making it quicker (to cast, travel time is a different matter, which is where the higher amount of reduced skill effect duration change comes in to speed that up too).