Real money trading forbidden policy is dead and irrational

Another problem (and I haven't read the whole thread so I may be repeating something already said) is that an RMT company that is actually giving you stuff for money (as opposed to just stealing your credit info) has to generate that currency. Every player is a potential money spender, or a potential advertiser of the game to others who could potentially spend money. An RMT company worker has no potential to support the game. They're just using up resources. The more people who use such services, the more such "players" are on the servers.

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trixxar wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Full stop.

Except, you know, reality and all that. But feel free to morally crusade against the fact that RMT is extremely rampant and virtually unchecked.

I dont care either way what they do, but if you have policies, they should be enforced. Otherwise, if you wont enforce them, change the policies.

That's not even the discussion here.

There is no possible way to eliminate all botting / RMT. How can you do anything about 2 accounts interacting with each other, after exchanging money totally aside any GGG operations? It's absurd. How would you even know if a someone sent me 10 bucks and I gave him a few exalts. You many know RMT websites exist, but how can you determine if I have visited that site, or arranged a transaction?

The reason I found the OP ridiculous, was the notion that GGG should throw their hands up, and not only acknowledge they can't control it, but then participate, and shift their game to pay to win model. The OP wants GGG to sells us items, currency, ect for real money. This is a tremendous revenue shift, and imo, would never, ever, happen.

It's a joke.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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trixxar wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Full stop.

Except, you know, reality and all that. But feel free to morally crusade against the fact that RMT is extremely rampant and virtually unchecked.

I dont care either way what they do, but if you have policies, they should be enforced. Otherwise, if you wont enforce them, change the policies.

That's not even the discussion here.

There is no possible way to eliminate all botting / RMT. How can you do anything about 2 accounts interacting with each other, after exchanging money totally aside any GGG operations? It's absurd. How would you even know if a someone sent me 10 bucks and I gave him a few exalts. You many know RMT websites exist, but how can you determine if I have visited that site, or arranged a transaction?

The reason I found the OP ridiculous, was the notion that GGG should throw their hands up, and not only acknowledge they can't control it, but then participate, and shift their game to pay to win model. The OP wants GGG to sells us items, currency, ect for real money. This is a tremendous revenue shift, and imo, would never, ever, happen.

It's a joke.

Well I agreed its impossible to enforce and eliminate but some things they could do to reduce or intimidate them. On real life a simply sign with "warning, angry dogs" or "24h protected by blablabla" make many of potential thiefs to go away or choose another target to rob. Same way here they could be a bit more agressive and show some numbers weekly of people banned by rmt this way some will get afraid and stop using the service fearing for their acc. Dont solve the problem but helps tremendously.

Its funny cause on chat they indeed are agressive and many players stopped using global for exemple cause of the moderation LOL. Well do the same thing but on rmt subject

In a "perfect world" (take this one with caution please it's 50% sarcasm 50% serious) a single phone call should be enough to close a website that actually sell and generate benefits on a product you owe without any legal authorization to do so.
Sadly this is not going to happen anytime soon.

I do not think it would have any impact to publish the amount of players they ban on a regular basis, in fact if this number happen to be really low it could also be interpreted in favor of those websites figuring out most of accounts were not caught after all, so they would go even more agressive to sell their ****.

There arn't much solutions, but I hope they will keep apply a 0 tolerance for players that pay for such things.

On the long run I wish the game design evolve around drops, and eventually to see trading removed once for all, that would solve many issues and reduce this one too in the mean time. I'm pretty sure GGG already tought about this option.

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Heli0nix wrote:

In a "perfect world" (take this one with caution please it's 50% sarcasm 50% serious) a single phone call should be enough to close a website that actually sell and generate benefits on a product you owe without any legal authorization to do so.
Sadly this is not going to happen anytime soon.

I do not think it would have any impact to publish the amount of players they ban on a regular basis, in fact if this number happen to be really low it could also be interpreted in favor of those websites figuring out most of accounts were not caught after all, so they would go even more agressive to sell their ****.

There arn't much solutions, but I hope they will keep apply a 0 tolerance for players that pay for such things.

On the long run I wish the game design evolve around drops, and eventually to see trading removed once for all, that would solve many issues and reduce this one too in the mean time. I'm pretty sure GGG already tought about this option.

Yeah, good point. Trade is fun just to have a value on items u dont plan to use and to feel good when u have/drop them but I feel ur right and self found is the future if one want to rly enjoy the game. I play semi selfound, I dont have patience to be full on the trade system but I like to buy things that would be virtually impossible to drop and make builds. So either way this dont impact me much.

What you have admitted to will result in a permanent ban, not only for breaking the ToS for purchasing currency for real money but also for advertising the service (your removed part) and trying to justify it to others.

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Fnts7 wrote:

...So if there is no reasonable competition it wouldn't really hurt much to allow real money trading officially....

Based solely on your perspective.

In reality, there is no popular game, in terms of conventional computer games, that has even barely approached allowing this activity that has managed to survive past such an announcement.

Any game where this is not the primary and understood means of obtaining "the best stuffs" slits its own throat when a RMT is introduced or the developers fail to effectively counter RMT transactions taking place outside of the ToS/EULA.

As soon as you introduce "real money transactions between players" you then introduce "Real Law Enforcement Because It's Real Money Duh."

Nobody wants that. Nobody. Not you, not me, and certainly not the developers.

There are plenty of games out there that are fully based on RMT transactions. If you want that then you can do download and play those. Nothing wrong with that at all if that's your thing. But, nobody wants that particular demon inserting itself here. If GGG wanted to kill their game's player-base overnight, they couldn't find a more effective and sure way to do it than announcing their support of RMT transactions.

PS - They'd also "make the newspapers" too. Suddenly, the bad press would be so overwhelming that the chances of attracting new customers would go straight down the toilet... Parents would hear about "that one game that supports real-money extortion, bribery, and throat-slitting" and it would get Parental Controlled off of PC's and Consoles across the galaxy.... if the parents actually cared about what games their kids played and who's credit cards they used.

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Twitch_Kopogero wrote:

RMT is the future of gaming because it makes the game more "rewarding" for others to participate and spend their most precious resource their time. Most maintain "jobs" for this exact reason. If many saw a way to make a living out of playing a game they would quit their jobs and play + support that game.

If you're willing to work for US$1 - 2 / hour, perhaps.

Some people are. Guess where they live. Guess what phenomenon is brought about from RMT.

Are there any games with RMT that don't suck? I'm not aware of any.

Bitcoin is basically a game with RMT.