[3.10] Spectral Throw AllDayEveryDay | All Content | 18.4M Shaper Dps (Reflection + Impale)

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phobia90s wrote:

How do you solve accuracy with this build? I must have missed something.

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SkylerOG wrote:

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phobia90s wrote:

How do you solve accuracy with this build? I must have missed something.

Eagle Eye, Twin Terrors, Art of Gladiator, Acuity, Finesse, and about 350 dex.

Maybe swap in Honed Edge if you're using swords? (I'm using Bloodseekers)

Should put you around 2900-2950, which gets you 100% hit chance.

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Ladoona wrote:

Does this actually work in decent content without the watchers eye?

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keskidit wrote:

Hey ! Got another question on Ryslatha's Coil Versus The Nomad

Actually i got the nomad on me and when using Ryslatha on POB for test i loose DPS ( even whe nchanging the roll) so what did i miss ?

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SkylerOG wrote:

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Xe0z wrote:

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Hey all, fun build.

I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but Greater Volley > Greater Multiple Projectiles on the clearing setup.

20/20 GMP is 26% less projectile damage and +10% attack speed.

20/20 GV is 21% less projectile damage and +20% increased projectile damage.

The relative difference is about +25% damage between GV and GMP.

Even if you do a 5/20 awakened GMP, a regular 20/20 GV is still about +10% damage difference.

A 21/23 GV is also a fraction of the cost of an awakened GMP, too.

Plug them into your POB and you'll see.

The end-calc net DPS difference is around +5% MORE (yes, "more") damage with 21/23 GV vs. 5/20 awakened GMP. So it's pretty significant.

GMP works much better for mapping because of the spectral throws can cover a larger area with gmp. thats why i use gmp over gv.

I'm not so sure about that after doing a bunch of testing.

If your average hit is through the roof and one ST impact is enough to kill a single mob and hit your maximum life leech cap, then yeah, GMP may be better.

But all these people who say they feel squishy while clearing with GMP, I bet I've figured out why.


First, remember how life leech works... There are somewhere between probably 5-10 "instances" (buckets of life healing) on this build depending on how many "% increase maximum total recovery per second from life leech" nodes anyone has chosen. Then how much of an instance they can fill up depends on how many "physical attack damage leeched as life" AND how many "increased total recovery per second from life leech" nodes also selected or maybe they have on gear.

Then ultimately, what is filling up those buckets when we look at Spectral Throw?

Amount of damage done per hit/impact on MOBS, of course...... AND... number of hits/impacts on each MOB.

Now I've drawn up two illustrations of this to show what's happening to people:




As we can see, Greater Volley is potentially amassing around 26% more hits/impacts on a relative MOB spread to GMP. I understand this is completely anecdotal and not every MOB spread is like this, but this still shows the point in a relative comparison.

Now multiply those number of hits/impacts by your attack rate, (somewhere between 6-8 attacks per second on this build, and obviously more with buffs), and it's pretty clear that the ability to fill up your life leech buckets is significantly faster with GV than it is with GMP.

On top of this, it also means that you're likely killing the MOBS closest to you quicker, and therefore there are likely less MOBS hitting you and doing damage to you.



For instance, I noticed while using GMP that my life pool was consistently dropping down around 50% or more before my life leech would kick in and it would shoot back up to full. And then as I moved from MOB pack to MOB pack, there were continual blips of me taking large damage for a very brief moment before going back up.

Yes, it was nice not having to hardly move my cursor and target a direction, because my ST spread was super wide with GMP and everything was eventually dying and all I had to do was face forward and hold down ST attack while hitting WB to go from pack to pack. But, it was unsettling how often my big red life ball was bouncing around half life in between MOB packs.

But when I use GV, it felt completely different. My life pool never drops below probably 80-90%. I'm taking much fewer hits and damage, and it's abundantly clear my life leech buckets are filling up faster.

Sure, I have to aim my cursor a bit more, but really once you get the hang of just using more of a tacking method (boating term), or moving in sort of a Zig-Zag pattern, it reduces the need to aim. The ST's you've left behind you have to take an arcing path to return to you (like a boomerang pattern) and they typically then hit and kill any leftover MOBS that were on the outside of your original GV cone.


TLDR:

So in my assessment and testing, for QOL purposes for players who don't have 100,000+ average hit and 7+ attacks per second, and they feel "squishy", I recommend using Greater Volley for clearing instead of GMP.

Not only is GV a legit +5% MORE damage than GMP, but it's going to fill up life leech instances faster and for more per instance (more likely to reach your LL cap per instance), and therefore hit your maximum LL cap in fewer instances. Plus, MOBS closest to you will hit you less often as they're more likely to be struck with an ailment (because receiving more ST impacts) and/or be dead because they've taken more damage. Meaning you will feel less "squishy".

And if you're too lazy to aim a bit more and zig-zag rather than always move in a straight line, or you just do absurd base damage and MOBS drop in a single average hit, then GV is not for you and just use GMP.