[3.14] Kami's Life | LL | CI CoC Ice Nova Assassin | all Content | deep Delve | max Block
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todnesser wrote:
At <14 CDR you need to stay below 6 APS
At 14-51% CDR you need to stay below 7.57 APS
At 52%+ CDR you need to stay below 10 APS
Otherwise you half your DPS.
What? No
This is wrong. This is 100% wrong and terrible terrible advice to give re. cd reduction and attack speed.
Staying below 7.57 aps as your cd reduction increases is a massive dps loss. As you cd reduction increases, so do the number of potential procs/sec you can achieve with increased attack speed.
At 20 to 50 cdr you can achieve 8 or 9 procs/sec if you attack speed is 8 to 10aps proportionally
Further, if you overshoot the break point, you can hit it again with enough extra attack speed. It's not static
Also at sub 14 cdr, even 0 cdr you still need MORE than 6aps to achieve 6 procs/sec.
and at 52cdr plus you lose another proc/sec by being below 10aps. you actually need to be between 10 and 10.2 aps to manage 10 procs
if you hit before the cd of ice nova is ready nothing happens, cause you skipped the cast because you hitted so fast
Last edited by xXx_Kamikaze_xXx#4329 on Apr 3, 2020, 9:57:01 AM
What? No
This is wrong. This is 100% wrong and terrible terrible advice to give re. cd reduction and attack speed.
Staying below 7.57 aps as your cd reduction increases is a massive dps loss. As you cd reduction increases, so do the number of potential procs/sec you can achieve with increased attack speed.
At 20 to 50 cdr you can achieve 8 or 9 procs/sec if you attack speed is 8 to 10aps proportionally
Further, if you overshoot the break point, you can hit it again with enough extra attack speed. It's not static
Also at sub 14 cdr, even 0 cdr you still need MORE than 6aps to achieve 6 procs/sec.
and at 52cdr plus you lose another proc/sec by being below 10aps. you actually need to be between 10 and 10.2 aps to manage 10 procs
This assumes that there is no server tickrate, while it's 33 MS.
CoC default CD is 150 ms.
150/33 = 4.5454
4.54 gets rounded up to 5, 5 * 33 = 165
This means an attack every 5th frame (Or every 165 ms) can trigger CoC.
1000/165 = 6.06
6.06 APS is the maximum you can get without CDR, everything more will result in a DPS loss, unless you are at as close as possible to 12.12 APS.
With 14% CDR you can reach 4 frames:
150*0.86 = 129
129/33 = 3.9090
3.9090 rounded up to 4, 4 * 33 = 132
This means an attack every 4th frame (Or every 132 ms) can trigger CoC.
1000/132 = 7.57
7.57 APS is the maximum you can get without getting more CDR, everything more will result in a DPS loss, unless you are at as close as possible to 15.15 APS.
At 20% cdr with 8 aps attacks should happen every 125 ms if you disregard server tick rate, which will result in ~50% dmg loss:
0 ms: cdr of coc is 0, gets triggered with 4 frames CDR (132 ms)
125 ms: cdr of coc is still 7 ms
250 ms: cdr of coc is 0, get triggered with 4 frames cdr (132 ms)
375 ms: cdr of coc is still 7 ms
With 20% CDR and 8 APS, half your attacks don't trigger CoC.
People should really not give advice, without having proper knowledge.
Last edited by todnesser#0146 on Apr 3, 2020, 10:09:00 AM
You're wrong about being under 6aps for 0% cdr. 100% wrong
You're also wrong about 52% cdr, you can achieve 10 procs including server ticks and want 10.1 aps
You're correct about 14-51% being a waste after 7.57
So welldone, you're 33% right. Only 66% of your advice was garbage
You're wrong about being under 6aps for 0% cdr. 100% wrong
You're also wrong about 52% cdr, you can achieve 10 procs including server ticks and want 10.1 aps
You're correct about 14-51% being a waste after 7.57
So welldone, you're 33% right. Only 66% of your advice was garbage
And all of your "advice" does not provide any information, outside of claims.
Provide some math for your "theory", if you claim calculations, that have been proven for years, are wrong.
is there any reason why 21/23 ice nova is cheaper than vaal ice nova 21/23 ?
I can use vaal 21/23 for both slots or ?
In terms of DPS they are the same but vaal ice nova will eat up vaal souls untill it is full, which means it will take longer till vaal discipline and vaal RF can be cast the first time you enter a map/boss fight.
So i think i found 2 things that may improve the Build a little bit.
#1 on the tree instead of going for the Blast Radius cluster u should go for the Arcane Expanse Cluster. It gives more aoe, more Damage and even a little bit of ES.
#2 on the large cluster jewel u can get 1 more Notable called Widespread Destruction which gives 20% ele dmg and 10% AoE and it has the same amount of nodes that need to be used so it a free dmg upgrade.
Last edited by TheSniper580#0955 on Apr 3, 2020, 11:08:19 AM
So i think i found 2 things that may improve the Build a little bit.
#1 on the tree instead of going for the Blast Radius cluster u should go for the Arcane Expanse Cluster. It gives more aoe, more Damage and even a little bit of ES.
#2 on the large cluster jewel u can get 1 more Notable called Widespread Destruction which gives 20% ele dmg and 10% AoE and it has the same amount of nodes that need to be used so it a free dmg upgrade.
#1
I'll agree with that
#2
sounds good, will try to find one and gonne update the guide
What? No
This is wrong. This is 100% wrong and terrible terrible advice to give re. cd reduction and attack speed.
Staying below 7.57 aps as your cd reduction increases is a massive dps loss. As you cd reduction increases, so do the number of potential procs/sec you can achieve with increased attack speed.
At 20 to 50 cdr you can achieve 8 or 9 procs/sec if you attack speed is 8 to 10aps proportionally
Further, if you overshoot the break point, you can hit it again with enough extra attack speed. It's not static
Also at sub 14 cdr, even 0 cdr you still need MORE than 6aps to achieve 6 procs/sec.
and at 52cdr plus you lose another proc/sec by being below 10aps. you actually need to be between 10 and 10.2 aps to manage 10 procs
This assumes that there is no server tickrate, while it's 33 MS.
CoC default CD is 150 ms.
150/33 = 4.5454
4.54 gets rounded up to 5, 5 * 33 = 165
This means an attack every 5th frame (Or every 165 ms) can trigger CoC.
1000/165 = 6.06
6.06 APS is the maximum you can get without CDR, everything more will result in a DPS loss, unless you are at as close as possible to 12.12 APS.
With 14% CDR you can reach 4 frames:
150*0.86 = 129
129/33 = 3.9090
3.9090 rounded up to 4, 4 * 33 = 132
This means an attack every 4th frame (Or every 132 ms) can trigger CoC.
1000/132 = 7.57
7.57 APS is the maximum you can get without getting more CDR, everything more will result in a DPS loss, unless you are at as close as possible to 15.15 APS.
At 20% cdr with 8 aps attacks should happen every 125 ms if you disregard server tick rate, which will result in ~50% dmg loss:
0 ms: cdr of coc is 0, gets triggered with 4 frames CDR (132 ms)
125 ms: cdr of coc is still 7 ms
250 ms: cdr of coc is 0, get triggered with 4 frames cdr (132 ms)
375 ms: cdr of coc is still 7 ms
With 20% CDR and 8 APS, half your attacks don't trigger CoC.
People should really not give advice, without having proper knowledge.
