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Dr1MaR wrote:

YAY! more powercreep!
"We want to make a challenging ARPG" - said no one

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juyevon wrote:

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Dr1MaR wrote:

YAY! more powercreep!
"We want to make a challenging ARPG" - said no one

Said from a person who don't even manage to kill the shaper with all that power creep.

Well, why don't you just try some challenges then?
0.65% of players have completed 36 challenges in the Blight league. Come on, show everyone how you can handle the power creep.

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PraetorianMKII wrote:

TLDR: Spell Echo plus is debatable.

Double damage makes it better in term of dps gain, but without it gem is worse than regular version due 15% less spell damage and not 10%. I personally not sure if I'd go for random double damage bonus while losing a bit on initial damage hits, with mentioned rarity of supports+ and time it takes to level them to 5:) Its also worse with Greater Spell Echo for obvious reason (more repeats and dd only working on the last one).

SE vs SE+

Regular Spell Echo: 1.7 (more cast speed) * 0.9 (less spell damage) = 1.53 dps multiplier;
Spell Echo Plus: 1.75 * 0.85 = 1.4875 multiplier, but 1.6288 with 19% double damage chance on last repeat with one repeat (19% Double damage chance on one of two hits is 9.5% more damage if you have no other sources of double damage);
1.53 vs 1.4875+dd (1.6288);
Getting 6.458% more dps at the price of even less hit damage and randomness of double damage procs.

Pledge of Hands

SE + GSE: 1.7 (more cast speed) * 0.9 (less spell damage) * 1.525 (3 repeats: average of 100%, 135%, 170% and 205% damage multipliers) = 2.333 dps multiplier;
SE+ & GSE: 1.75 * 0.85 * 1.6224 (average of 1.00, 1.35, 1.70 and 2.05*1.19 with double damage chance) = 2.4133 dps multiplier;
2.333 vs 2.268+dd (2.4133);
3.442% more dps in setup with huge animation time of repeats, that you for some reason also cannot cancel unlike multistrike. And random double damage too, but at least it always work on last, strongest repeat.

So I'm not sure which level of damage boost is planned from these supports, maybe it is intended as we may of course have more than 1 support+ in our setup and it adds up quickly, just keep in mind that SE+ is nowhere near "19% more damage" or something as it may seem at first look:)

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n3wtonapple wrote:

Even though I am a GGG fanboy and Christ Wilson’s, I have to disagree with the choice of these gems.

As everybody said before, too much power creep in an already broken (in terms of damage) game. It very much reminds me of Ancients and Primals from D3 and everybody knows how bs was that. GGG has shown us that they tend to make everything better compared to Blizzard but this decision is too simplistic and boring and does not reflect the standards of our boyz in GGG. Sad but true!