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Hi, I'm playing this build this season, went from starter to tanky, then to speed farming and spectre (changing from one to other now and then for fun).
I feel like my clearing speed and damage is not anywhere close to what's shown in the build and in the videos using the build and I can't figure out what I'm lacking (or what I can do to push it further). One difference I am aware of are the enlighten supports (only have one that's lv3 rn, so I can not have all auras active so I'm running with Haste off atm.
(also - one thing i've noticed btw is that even if i put 2x lv4 enlighten as in build into pob, I don't anywhere near enough mana to run haste along with other auras ?)
- My elegant hubris is 160% min dmg atm.
- My boots are still Alberon, trying to get two-toned but having trouble rolling hunter's on them~
Any pointers/advice/ideas'd be appreciated.
POB: https://pastebin.com/FrhNQy5v
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Posted byTomzkk#6128on Aug 2, 2020, 5:54:11 PM
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Finished speed farming setup without emperor's mastery and honestly speaking 3.11 it's just bad/decent
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Ayanad wrote:
I'll start with the dying part. I'm at work right now and don't have access to POB but from looking at your tree i have a feeling you have the issues below.
1- you MUST hit 1000 strength. without it your zombies will not leech life for you and you cannot regen life because of geofries so the build will not function without 1k strength. Very important.
2- OVERCAP your resitances. you should have 110 resistance of each element.use purity of elements until you get better jewelry.
3- you last defensive objective should be capping your chaos resistance. But you should be able to manage without doing that if you avoid maps with poison mods.
Now to the damage part:
1- Need 6-link.
2- Quality all you gems. +20
3- for end game your damage will be mediocre until you replace your lethal pride with an elegant hubris +240% minion damage
Hope this helps.
Thank you so much for your advice @Ayanad! I am trying to upgrade my jewellery to get to 1000 strength and enough resists (I actually had them overcapped and chaos on 75 before I changed build, more rares).
I am trying to understand the elegant hubris, but it seems every gem corrupts the notables differently...?
The lethal pride gives me quite a bit of strength and I have no idea how to get to 1000 strength to make the build work as intended. With the rings I can craft or buy, I'd need a ring on every finger for both resists and strength.
Ok, let's be honest two seconds.. you don't need to overcap your resistances to 110 lol. Just get them capped and that's it. If you have a map mod that impact resistance, just reroll it or be more carefull. Just get the basic stuff while your building your character, you dont need to go all in all at once. If your chaos resistance is not cap is not the end of the world for now, in fact having it over 0% is already great.
As for the strength, using 2-3 efficient training and 2-3 brawn jewels and some strength on rings and belt is more then enough to get you to 1000 strength. No need to mess with Lethal Pride now if you don't have much currency. Just take a look at the PoB i've modified : https://pastebin.com/8TE0qcay. Low strength rolls on rings, couple respec here and there on the skill tree and voilà! 1000 strength, still capped on resistances, ~7.8k EHP and a decent amount of chaos resistance for now. Tip: you can use an Amethyst Flask to get +35% chaos resistance while gathering currency to buy/craft more chaos resistance on your gear.
As for the damage, don't use Empower yet, cause you don't have a proper weapon for it. Use Minion Damage Support instead. Don't use Spirit Offering, use Flesh Offering instead, because Brutality Support in your Zombie link cancel the damage provided by Spirit Offering. Not sure about your Malevolence and RF in your off-hand but using Pride and Flesh&Stone linked to Maim Support instead of those would give you a ton of damage.
Your damage went from 45k to 221k per zombie now.
As for the weapon, you can use either a 5L Femur of the Saints or Montregul Grasp which is cheap and allow you to keep your shield and get some nice defenses for your zombies. MG cut you amount of zombies by half, but they essentially deal double damage, so after all its the same performance but with better defenses.
You don't need Lethal Pride anymore as of 3.11 for strength. You don't need elegant hubris to get nice damage either. You can simply grab some cheap cluster jewels and craft them using the Harvest mechanic which is WAY cheaper and overall easier then throwing dozens of divine orbs on a timeless jewel for hours to get a good roll...
For your Spectre make sure you use 2x Carnage Chieftain and 1-2x Host Chieftain linked to Minion Life + Blood Magic, so they don't die and they can spam their ability.
Just by playing the game you'll up your gems, get some quality on them with GCP vendor recipe and gather some currency to get better gear.
Good luck!
We can agree to disagree. Sure you can deal with ele weakness through curse immunity flasks but that requires constant smashing of the flasks which i'm not good at so i try to account for curses within my build since i prefer the lazy style gameplay. A mob can curse you and you get insta killed in red maps if you're not overcapped. Dying once in a while might not seem a big deal at first but becomes a real problem when pushing lvl95+
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Posted byAyanad#1624on Aug 3, 2020, 11:21:44 AM
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Ayanad wrote:
I'll start with the dying part. I'm at work right now and don't have access to POB but from looking at your tree i have a feeling you have the issues below.
1- you MUST hit 1000 strength. without it your zombies will not leech life for you and you cannot regen life because of geofries so the build will not function without 1k strength. Very important.
2- OVERCAP your resitances. you should have 110 resistance of each element.use purity of elements until you get better jewelry.
3- you last defensive objective should be capping your chaos resistance. But you should be able to manage without doing that if you avoid maps with poison mods.
Now to the damage part:
1- Need 6-link.
2- Quality all you gems. +20
3- for end game your damage will be mediocre until you replace your lethal pride with an elegant hubris +240% minion damage
Hope this helps.
Thank you so much for your advice @Ayanad! I am trying to upgrade my jewellery to get to 1000 strength and enough resists (I actually had them overcapped and chaos on 75 before I changed build, more rares).
I am trying to understand the elegant hubris, but it seems every gem corrupts the notables differently...?
The lethal pride gives me quite a bit of strength and I have no idea how to get to 1000 strength to make the build work as intended. With the rings I can craft or buy, I'd need a ring on every finger for both resists and strength.
No worries. Jewelry are so easy to craft this league with the harvest mechanic. As a starter get a ilvl75 base with t1 str and you can craft the resists and life on it yourself. Why ilvl75, because it's the highest level you can use quarry seeds on. Just spam quarry instances and collect the seeds. Won't take too long to craft awesome rings. Also Quality your jewelry if you can afford it. I think the attribute ones are cheap this league.
As for the Elegant Hubris, every time you divine the jewel, you get a new number on it that changes the notables on the tree within the radius. SLUM LORD is the name of the notable that you need. And you need like 3 of it to make zombies feel decent again in ENDGAME.
In Metamorph, i used a lethal pride and stacked STR to 1500+ and zombies were super good/broken. Then in Delirium they nerfed zombies to the ground and in order for them to be playable again, we have to sacrifice a link of damage in favor of feeding frenzy so they move around again and kill stuff. That of course tanked their DPS. I compensated for that by replacing the lethal pride with a hubris in Delerium League and used cluster jewels which gave some boost back to the zombies DPS.
Now in this league, they nerfed their damage again by nerfing Vicious Bite so it was the last nail in the coffin for me and i went with golems this league.
You can check my Deli_Monicat character in my profile to give you an idea on how i was reaching 1000+ str last league while using an elegant hubris.
There are 2 ways to get the elegant hubris. You buy one and spam it with divine orbs and try it each time on your tree to see if you got 3 slum lords. Or you can buy and sell until you get one you like which of course is more time consuming.
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Posted byAyanad#1624on Aug 3, 2020, 2:28:52 PM
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Hey OP,
How do you get 4 frost sentinels if you use spell echo?
Everytime i raise a frost sentinel it spell echos another random monster.. so i can only have 2 sentinels and 2 random monsters at all times if i use hungry loop?
Please help! Thanks!
Last edited by sleePuHor#6517 on Aug 3, 2020, 5:26:20 PM
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Posted bysleePuHor#6517on Aug 3, 2020, 5:24:57 PM
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sleePuHor wrote:
Hey OP,
How do you get 4 frost sentinels if you use spell echo?
Everytime i raise a frost sentinel it spell echos another random monster.. so i can only have 2 sentinels and 2 random monsters at all times if i use hungry loop?
Please help! Thanks!
Just take that Spell Echo out when you summon them :)
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Posted byPOSRemix#0045on Aug 3, 2020, 9:23:05 PM
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To get the the summon you want with the hungry loop, I believe you can summon zombies on the mobs you don’t want leaving only the ones you do. You can’t take the effects off that ring.
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Posted byEric2XL#0017on Aug 4, 2020, 1:26:19 AM
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How much currency would you comfortably want if you were going to attempt to craft a 2 handed weapon?
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Posted byTrapsin#1011on Aug 4, 2020, 12:45:37 PM
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br0kns0l2 wrote:
New player looking for a build. Would you suggest doing this one, or Kays' Spectres?
Everyone is suggesting Enki's Arc, but I'm not about lightning. I want me some minions. :D
Kays' Spectre everytime,its updated for every league with new mechanics and optimization
This build is a relic from the past when zombies used to be good,with heavy investment it can still be ok but with the same investment you can go rs spectres and be a god
The entire front page of being the fastest strongest and tankiest is a lie
Especially this part
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DPS: Over 1 million DPS per zombie (upwards of 2 million per zombie... multiply that by 15 or so zombies. You can also throw on an extra 12 Skeletons doing another 1 million DPS each if you wish).
TANKY: Over 10,000 eHP (upwards of 25,000 eHP)
SPEED: Over 200% movespeed (upwards of 300%)
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You cant reach those numbers anymore in league ever since the changes(maybe in standard with legacy)
Last edited by Archontis#1527 on Aug 5, 2020, 6:19:51 PM
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Posted byArchontis#1527on Aug 5, 2020, 6:19:31 PM
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Masouths wrote:
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br0kns0l2 wrote:
New player looking for a build. Would you suggest doing this one, or Kays' Spectres?
Everyone is suggesting Enki's Arc, but I'm not about lightning. I want me some minions. :D
Kays' Spectre everytime,its updated for every league with new mechanics and optimization
This build is a relic from the past when zombies used to be good,with heavy investment it can still be ok but with the same investment you can go rs spectres and be a god
The entire front page of being the fastest strongest and tankiest is a lie
Especially this part
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DPS: Over 1 million DPS per zombie (upwards of 2 million per zombie... multiply that by 15 or so zombies. You can also throw on an extra 12 Skeletons doing another 1 million DPS each if you wish).
TANKY: Over 10,000 eHP (upwards of 25,000 eHP)
SPEED: Over 200% movespeed (upwards of 300%)
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You cant reach those numbers anymore in league ever since the changes(maybe in standard with legacy),you will always have to sacrifice one aspect to get the other
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Posted byArchontis#1527on Aug 5, 2020, 6:21:10 PM
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