[3.20] Ice Dancing Queen - Icestorm/Cyclone/CI - Viable For Everything

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Kelvynn wrote:
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za6i9ka wrote:
Frost shield gains a stage every 0.3sec up to 4 stages. So you lose like 1k shield over 1.2sec only.

Indeed. Either way it's barely noticeable. Frost Shield is great.

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za6i9ka wrote:
Noticed today that 21 and 22lvl conc effect are now same 40% dmg so its better and cheaper to go 20/23 gem instead of 21/20.

Good catch. The wiki is out of date. Pretty lame though that we can't even take advantage of the 21/0 gem anymore.

I just checked CD and Cold Pen - same thing. Lame :(


Atleast CD and CP got awakened gems, unlike conc effect.
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Kelvynn wrote:

I see you are still refusing to use Flesh & Stone ;)

I haven't done Simulacrum in this league yet, will be interesting to see.

well me playing witch with profane bloom so -1 aura slot :/ and not 100 lvl to get all passive points that needed :/
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archwerewolf wrote:
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Kelvynn wrote:

I see you are still refusing to use Flesh & Stone ;)

I haven't done Simulacrum in this league yet, will be interesting to see.

well me playing witch with profane bloom so -1 aura slot :/ and not 100 lvl to get all passive points that needed :/

Skitterbots though! You are not using Cyclopean Coil either, so you are probably getting shocked and/or stunned in all that clutter. Or running out of mana because you are getting hit too often and CWDT costs mana now.

This is not a good league to sacrifice safety for damage, like you usually do. With all the monster buffs and player nerfs, the defenses are more valuable than ever.

During the first few days I was considering switching to the Occultist because I missed the clear speed of Profane Bloom. But then I solved the clear speed AND survivability issues by switching to AoE freeze mode. Try it. Occultist won't need Herald of Ice, she has better explosions already. But freezing everything is great for staying alive.
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Kelvynn wrote:
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Skitterbots though! You are not using Cyclopean Coil either, so you are probably getting shocked and/or stunned in all that clutter. Or running out of mana because you are getting hit too often and CWDT costs mana now.

This is not a good league to sacrifice safety for damage, like you usually do. With all the monster buffs and player nerfs, the defenses are more valuable than ever.

During the first few days I was considering switching to the Occultist because I missed the clear speed of Profane Bloom. But then I solved the clear speed AND survivability issues by switching to AoE freeze mode. Try it. Occultist won't need Herald of Ice, she has better explosions already. But freezing everything is great for staying alive.


well i just switched to them xD
going play with skills/passives etc later

dat lvl shit-(so slow to get 96+lvls. and i need dat points :/
Last edited by archwerewolf#0781 on Aug 2, 2021, 1:57:04 PM
where is there endgame pob with cluster?
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Kelvynn wrote:
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archwerewolf wrote:
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Kelvynn wrote:

I see you are still refusing to use Flesh & Stone ;)

I haven't done Simulacrum in this league yet, will be interesting to see.

well me playing witch with profane bloom so -1 aura slot :/ and not 100 lvl to get all passive points that needed :/

Skitterbots though! You are not using Cyclopean Coil either, so you are probably getting shocked and/or stunned in all that clutter. Or running out of mana because you are getting hit too often and CWDT costs mana now.

This is not a good league to sacrifice safety for damage, like you usually do. With all the monster buffs and player nerfs, the defenses are more valuable than ever.

During the first few days I was considering switching to the Occultist because I missed the clear speed of Profane Bloom. But then I solved the clear speed AND survivability issues by switching to AoE freeze mode. Try it. Occultist won't need Herald of Ice, she has better explosions already. But freezing everything is great for staying alive.


Does herald of ice really increase clearspeed? I tried it and didn't notice a difference (other than nice visual effect). It still leaves rares behind if they are really tanky and occasionally some normal mobs are surviving, same as without it. Both aoe and damage of herald explosions feel underwhelming.
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FreezeR96PL wrote:
where is there endgame pob with cluster?


This one got clusters, got it before league started.
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za6i9ka wrote:

Does herald of ice really increase clearspeed? I tried it and didn't notice a difference (other than nice visual effect). It still leaves rares behind if they are really tanky and occasionally some normal mobs are surviving, same as without it. Both aoe and damage of herald explosions feel underwhelming.


I also didn't see a noticeable clear difference with herald of ice and the damage benefit is also very little, so I dropped herald of ice + aspect of the spider and started using hatred instead (also gave a small damage increase over both of them in POB)
How tanky are you feeling without the spider webs, tesken?
I tried this one because it looked interesting but the Dominus encounter in act 3 is face rolling me. Low dps and only 634hp are the reason I am sure, but ready to try something more tanky. This 3.15 league is really rough on weak players like me so using more of a finesse build is probably not my best choice.
Last edited by random7#1374 on Aug 2, 2021, 7:34:42 PM

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