Balance in Path of Exile: Blight

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skimbre wrote:

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Marxone wrote:

hmm Poet Pen is back.

I dont realy understand how the "it will trigger when finishing attack" works, i mean the cooldown get buffed but still it will cast two spells in the same time no? Or the rework make it like before as it was?

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Exile009 wrote:

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juyevon wrote:

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Natalia_GGG wrote:

3.7.0 introduced a whole host of changes and improvements to a variety of melee skills. This resulted in a lot of people playing Cyclone.

Yes. Because the rest of the meele skills where clunky, awkward and slow crap in comparison to cyclone. This "improvments" were useless. You could have easily improve these other skills to make them fun to, instead of nerving Cyclone. For example a Spectral Throw without the need to stop would be a lot of fun.

Err...no. They literally couldn't. Cos then they'd all be Cyclone clones. Cyclone's ease of use is fundamental to its identity and how the skill works - transplanting it onto other skills just destroys their identity. We already have quite a few auto-damage skills and builds in the game if that's what you're after. And your suggestion for Spectral Throw basically just turns it into a version of, idk, Winter Orb or Static Strike or something. So you just run around and weapons auto-spawn and damage enemies around you? If you just want to do that, go play the builds that already do that sorta thing. For everyone else, it replaces what was an active playstyle with either a partially (if it's like Static Strike) or entirely (if it's constant like Righteous Fire, just with a different visual effect) passive one. If you like Cyclone, play Cyclone. Don't ask for all the games' other skills to lose all their identity and just become more Cyclones. And then we'll see people attacking that change, just as we've already seen with people criticizing the new Cobra Lash as just a rework of Spectral Throw.

By making Cyclone weaker, they're making you pay a cost for smoothness and ease of use, so there's a tradeoff. Ideally, the more dedicated abilities will offer you greater power in return for requiring more focus and skill to play them. That's balance. What you want isn't balance, rather Cornucopia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornucopia

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Rakiii wrote:

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Navandis wrote:

So, lose 1 flask slot that could be used for utility AND waste additional passive points to solve a problem that didn't exist until now?

Using mana leech was an easy solution but you have still other choices how to solve mana recovery. It´s about your preferences.

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Navandis wrote:

You still didn't explain how MoM fits here. I am suspecting you said MoM/EB because that's what you saw other people talk about but don't really understand what each keystone does and their purpose in practice.

You´re spending ES instead of mana while having EB allocated and you can leech ES via ES leech support. MoM is usually used here as an extra effective HP.
It fits the theme here or what are you asking?

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Navandis wrote:

Traps, mines, totems, minions, neither have the huge mana costs of self-casting and as consequence they don't have the same mana sustain problems to deal with.
Until now self-spellcasting builds have sacrificed some passives, gem setups, maybe even an aura slot to ensure a decent mana flow. That should've been enough.
You don't have to explain all the ways to get back enough mana sustain, I'm well aware of all of them. The problem is why do we have to do that? Were self-casting builds so over-powered they needed some nerfs? Because this is a nerf! Every single resource you have to sacrifice now to offset the new mana "rules" that GGG envisioned is a resource that you don't use for DPS or defenses. This is what I mean about opportunity cost, not pros and cons...

Traps and mines (not all of them) have very high mana cost since you can spam them without any limits (CD on traps has been removed) and I have played many trap/mines builds.
I have seen such overreaction after WM change and what? Nothing happened. It´s not game over just adapt yourself and find new ways.

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Ranged
Tornado Shot has been outperforming other bow attack skills, while also having potent single target damage. This is partially due to the power of the Additional Secondary Projectiles enchantment. We've changed the enchantment to be from the Eternal Labyrinth only, and to grant +1 secondary projectiles, down from +2.