[3.8] Ultra tanky Ball Lightning Guardian | CI 11-15k ES | 3-5m Shaper DPS

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pr13st wrote:

This build will never complete in the clear speed meta that's for sure, but it depends on what you expect from the build. If you start it for the zoom zoom than you clearly weren't paying attention.

However if you're looking for a build that does not die that much this seems to be it. Personally I dislike dying a million times and getting stuck at lvl 91-92 so I'll give this a go.

What's the best helmet enchant? extra ball?

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grizzly40 wrote:

Swap slow proj to faster proj, use haste instead of determination, use quicksilver flask instead of wise oak - there, almost 2 times faster. I'd love to see videos of that totem character, just from curiosity

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thomzon wrote:

I'm just trying to convey feelings here, not to pass judgement or to be the one who's right.
Maybe ball lightning just is not a good fit for me.

I did try removing slower proj, but then the damage kind of sucked against anything non-trash. I did not try any other adjustment, probably I could have gone further. But finally I just did not want to, because I was not feeling the build enough to try investing more time in it.

As for the totem build, it's the very first totem build I play that I really like. You can really just run continuously, stopping just to pop 2 totems every now and again, and everything shatters and dies almost immediately.
Of course against tough hitting ennemies consecutive hits and you're dead, so if you like tough build it's very bad.

Here is a mapping video taken from Wallach's topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo_XkYMfgGw&feature=youtu.be

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rainmeadow wrote:

Which Pantheons are you using? Just specced into the build (Lvl 71 atm), really looking forward to seeing its full potential at 90+.

Nice build grizzly, thanks!

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thomzon wrote:

Well if I take a stopwatch and take measures you might be right.

But the fact is, playing Ball Lightning, I was like "this feels sloooow... come on go faster".
And playing FP totems, I don't feel that. Playing your MS build, I did not feel that.
So again it all comes down to personal feeling when playing a build.

The good thing is your build really got me curious into trying stuff with the Guardian ascendancy, which I always ignored before. Might try a melee HoWA build with it pretty soon.

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grizzly40 wrote:

Idk if i'm blind or just stupid guys, but the builds you showed me are... similar in terms of clear speed? Yes, they have better aoe coverage obviously, but you still have to walk there in order to collect loot, so it doesn't really make them more efficient. The only thing that does is crazy high movement speed (builds that can actually finish maps in 1 minute with 200%+ movement speed).

The difference is even smaller in linear maps, where you just cast once -> clear pack -> rinse and repeat.

I really don't know, maybe i'm biased cuz all i did this league was t16/uber elder/delve (where you don't need aoe that much), but these builds really don't seem to be faster

And yes, it's definitely possible to use different spell, changes to tree would have to be made. In fact, you could use pretty much every spell with this build without heavy tree/item changes