Poe 4.0 should be a whole new game (of different perspective) or its game over for this one GGG

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Kasapnica wrote:
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DarthSki44 wrote:
No chance in hell PoE loses to Last Epcoh.

Diablo 4 on the other hand...

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PoE needs new content, or spin, badly. Engine and Character Models, with performance issues are a real problem.


Why do you think blizzard with their casual approach can deliver with D4, their name alone still carries a punch but its pretty questionable these days, thanks to Activision...mostly.

Even if it's great and packed to the brim with mechanics and content that MUST reward creativity, at best it will rival PoE, but it wont kill it.

Whatever they do, they must not follow on D3. End game being a simple endless dungeon with nothing but inflated health and damage wont be a good thing, just like rifts. If they still make the whole game with "this weapon boost this skill so much that all other weapons are useless." Sets which pretty much tells you what to play ain't gonna work a second time.

There is a lot of work to do in order to succeed.

I've put over 1k hours in this game and that's how i see it.

Log in.
Level to max in 2 hours.
Get your set in 2 more hours.
Wait for the same thing to drop with 1 more main stat.

Nothing has "wow" factor, they removed the RPG element completely, and things just drop...not that heavy RNG is great, but if done right it will be the carrot on a stick, something D3 failed miserably at.

This ain't gonna work again. We will see i guess, but Blizz has done nothing in the last 10 years that promotes longtime play. It's like a pop culture, get fast money on day one, screw everything after.

D3 shows it, WoW is hemorrhaging players ever since WoTLK. Overwatch is getting pretty questionable, mostly due to balance and extreme toxicity. Hearthstone is the retard-proof version of Magic the Gathering. SC2 is the only thing that can be called a game.

You seem to have a great trust in D4 from what i've seen, but i don't know why.

If IF they do it justice and not screw it up like they usually do, because god forbid their playerbase need to use at least 1 brain cell. Then that's great. But i don't think they have much of a hardcore audience left, Esports and Mythic raiding aside, 99% of their targeted demographic aren't people that want to achieve, its people that want medals for losing.

Who knows though...in the end competition is good.

PS: Not defending PoE, it has things i literally HATE. We will see how Last Epoch will do.

On topic, OP, PoE ain't gonna die because of competition, it got to a point that only GGG can kill it. And this ain't happening anywhere soon. And especially not because of another FTP game.



D3 was/is a very good game. I get that maybe you dont like it, and the PoE boards are not exactly a singles cruise for Blizzard. However tons of people enjoyed D3, and still enjoys decent viewership and participation for each season.

I dont really get why people cant actually play both (or more) and accept others do. I like the arpg genre in general and enjoy multiple titles. This will be true when Wolcen launches, or Torchlight, or Diablo 4. I will play them all.

I have zero doubt that Diablo 4 will be a very good game. Will it be great or epic? Probably not. But it has an equally slim chance of being bad too. So if I get a few hundred to a thousand enjoyable hours, thats fine by me.
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performance issues and server problem are real, no other stuff can kill poe
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D3 was/is a very good game


ARPG is my favorite genre as well, played it all, will play it all. But i simply find D3 shallow as hell. It has smooth gameplay and engine though, ill give it that.

But the whole game feels like it's not me but blizzard deciding how to play it. I promise you we can argue till the end of the world but i don't really want to.

It's not D4 being good or bad, it's that i simply don't trust Blizzard to release quality games and i explained why i think so in my post.

Their target audience is the pop-culture gamers, not the ones that want to achieve their worth. We will see what D4 will look like. But TrashVision is a disease that absolutely needs to be removed from Blizzard in order for me to get some trust back.
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Kasapnica wrote:
We will see what D4 will look like. But TrashVision is a disease that absolutely needs to be removed from Blizzard in order for me to get some trust back.


I think what's more important is seeing how D3 will look by the time they're done. I strongly believe that they're gonna pull another RoS on the final class release, and rework everything. And hopefully after that they don't pull another 2.1 "We simplified everything, but you get grifts now." It was enjoyable working a non set character through the torments before that, then it became impossible.
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Did y'all know that most people play multiple games

I think 10 years from now people will still be whining about how D3 ruined their life.
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Caiada wrote:
Did y'all know that most people play multiple games

I think 10 years from now people will still be whining about how D3 ruined their life.


If we look for common sense, forums wouldn't exist. I mean nothing gets more attention than "You game ded".
About time we got another of these "This game is gonna fail" posts, been awhile since I seen one.
Unless GGG one day decides to retire and Tencent completely takes over with terrible pay2win mtx and lousy league mechanics, PoE is gonna stay the king indefinitely. I'd sure like for more rivalry at least. Last Epoch, Wolcen, D4, Torchlight Frontier.
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Barbatrux wrote:
Just played Last Epoch.....


Lol! Was CoD the death of Battlefield? Was Apex Legends the death of Fortnite? Was Quake 3 the death of Unreal Tournament? Hell, was Diablo 3 the death of PoE (or vice-versa)? Or Grim Dawn for that matter? You've gotta be pretty pessimistic to imagine one other game in a genre - assuming it's even successful - can take over the entire market to exclusion of everything else. PoE will be fine, even if Last Epoch goes well and PoE 4.0 is only so-so.

I mean, dude - I also sometimes play Age of Empires 2, probably one of the best testaments to dogged survival in video games. GGG spent years on this game before it even launched, and it was hardly a phenomenon when it did - they've already faced way worse challenges Last Epoch.
Last edited by Exile009#1139 on Jul 12, 2019, 12:25:04 AM
Doomsaying intensifies... *yawn*

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