AHA I HAVE REMOVED YOUR BATHWATER SO I CAN SELL IT MUAHAHAHAHHA

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crunkatog wrote:

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I_NO wrote:

I will than use the funding TO RULE THIS WORLD MUAHAHAHAHA

Good luck with that. I ripped a huge, roiling cabbage-roll and ham-hocks-with-greens-and-onions fart into it. Pay me royalties or I say, "She who smelt it, dealt it".

EW

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鬼殺し wrote:

I think this thread says a lot about the people who are somehow admiring the entrepreneurial aspect of what is essentially selling a fetish product created by a long game of parasocial seduction.

I'm a bitter ex-catholic and have recently been watching a lot of Sg-1. Add real life politics into the mix, and I've become very weary of taking the higher than thou approach.

Take the potential disdain for the "sexual morality" or lack thereof out of the equation.

She's a very young girl making more than plenty of people older and in debt to higher education. She's also doing something not everyone could do even if they wanted to. I'm not saying if I had a daughter I'd be ok with her doing this, but I would make peace with it if she did.

Think of prohibition, they tried to take away something that the people weren't willing to give up and yet just the other day a young 17 year old girl was killed riding her bike by a drunk man. People need their vices, and the pornography industry wouldn't be what it is if the people didn't want it.

I would probably have never heard of her if not for Ino bringing it up or me catching a random article.

When I think of trash, I think of child and sex traffickers, rapists, murders, war criminals, politicians....

She managed to find a niche where free porn is just a click away AND she CONTROLS her content. Frankly the focus should be empowerment, not disdain.

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鬼殺し wrote:

I think this thread says a lot about the people who are somehow admiring the entrepreneurial aspect of what is essentially selling a fetish product created by a long game of parasocial seduction.

I shouldn't need to say this, but there's a lot of territory between "this behavior is admirable" and "anyone involved in this behavior is human garbage." For instance, one could disapprove of that behavior without dehumanizing those who partake in it. And I do disapprove in part — the idea of spending actual money on bottled water over tap, much less paying top dollar for used bathwater, triggers my inner Mr Krabs something awful.

Another example of disapproval without dehumanizing: even though you engaged in hate speech in this thread, I don't think you are trash. You're a human being with the same rights and agency as any other (and if anything, the fact that you're not inherently hateful is the source of some trivial aggravation on my end). I can disapprove of what you do without dehumanizing you (e.g. refusing your right to freely speak such things) and so I do. I just don't understand why such behavior isn't moderated on a privately owned platform.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

When I think of trash, I think of child and sex traffickers, rapists, murders, war criminals, politicians....

Me too. And people who sell used bathwater for fetish purposes. And people who buy it. And people who consume it.

Funny how we don't need to discount one for the other also to be true! It's almost like you couldn't actually disagree so you just raised the bar for what 'human trash' is when I have absolutely no obligation to clear that bar when my bar is perfectly fine for me. ^_^

Sorry, are you new to this whole 'asserting my opinion without making silly mistakes' thing? Hypothetical question. I know you're not, so let's just call this a slip. It's okay. We all make them.

Anyway, you're not going to change my mind as to whether they're human trash or not, and I'm sure we both have better things to do. So bye!

What makes you think an argument based on a subjective morality axis exonerates infringing on the CoC guidelines?

That is non-sensical.

You infringed on two different CoC guidelines with that post and none of them have anything to do with you saying "well, but personally my own convinction is ...."

Do people in your bubble actually let you get away with such weak argumentation? It would explain the holier then thou attitude, explain but not justify.

You like to project your more capable then that, so don't hold it against me for pointing out the obvious.

Depending if we consider this topic to be about the secular religion of me myself and i, it would be three violations. But i guess i will let that slide because people would feign ignorance on that one and pretend this discussion is about something else.
Which only serves to make the zealous call-out of "the other", backed up with the pretence of hollier standards of morality more amusing.

Never in history have we seen this pattern occur.

Such compassion, empathy and prowess.

And the folly of calling people out for pointing out "maybe don't call people trash" as justifying the act of that person, as if moral agreement and common civility are related.

Glad to see you took the higher road "ruler".

#Shitposter

Peace,

-Boem-

Again this was less about morality (at least for me) and way more about being naive about the real world, and encouraging fringe parts of the spectrum that are...less than desirable.

Listen, there are fucked up people out there. You can read about, and research some incredibly messed up shit that happens, and women especially, being victimized.

Encouraging...less say fringe elements, as opposed to Human Trash, is super risky. If all she is trying to do is make some cash, there are far safer ways to go about it.

Giving access, including very personal access, is just plain dangerous. Ask Kendall Jenner or Chole Grace Moretz, who have very recently had to deal with stalkers, how real and scary this stuff is.

Finally I'm not even sure what the fascination is with laughing or praising this behavior(genius business woman?) The social media influencer / YouTube Personality era is bizarre on so many levels. In the end adults can do whatever they want, but just becuase they are adults doesn't mean the behavior isnt risky, dangerous, stupid, ect...

Money isnt everything, really it isnt. You can be a sexy boob streamer, or work in the sex industry, and control your own image, but that doesn't also mean you have to be dumb about it. I hope someone close to her tells her to, at the very least, invest in a PR or media relations expert to help with some of these things (or find a new one if she had one)

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鬼殺し wrote:

Me too. And people who sell used bathwater for fetish purposes. And people who buy it. And people who consume it.

Funny how we don't need to discount one for the other also to be true! It's almost like you couldn't actually disagree so you just raised the bar for what 'human trash' is when I have absolutely no obligation to clear that bar when my bar is perfectly fine for me. ^_^

Sorry, are you new to this whole 'asserting my opinion without making silly mistakes' thing? Hypothetical question. I know you're not, so let's just call this a slip. It's okay. We all make them.

Anyway, you're not going to change my mind as to whether they're human trash or not, and I'm sure we both have better things to do. So bye!

C'mon now, I'm sure you understood the message.

Don't get me wrong, when I was younger I was a lot more judgemental and would have held the same view.

The reason I even brought up watching SG-1 earlier is that the majority of conflict is based on one group trying to force their beliefs unto another. What might be acceptable in one culture or society may be punishable by death in another.

Given how social media has integrated itself into society for the foreseeable future, it's also exposed a dark side.

A random girl across the pond that I originally had never heard of took a joke and ran with it. If she was intentionally poisoning these clients and had malicious intent, then fine I would share that feeling of disgust.

If anything, her and her "customer base" have more of a symbiotic relationship - they pay for her lifestyle and she has to constantly find ways to entertain them.

I do personally think its excessive to condemn her though - it's very reminiscent of how there are some people think anything Muslim is bad or who think it's un-American to fly a non-US flag in your yard.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Again this was less about morality (at least for me) and way more about being naive about the real world, and encouraging fringe parts of the spectrum that are...less than desirable.

Listen, there are fucked up people out there. You can read about, and research some incredibly messed up shit that happens, and women especially, being victimized.

Encouraging...less say fringe elements, as opposed to Human Trash, is super risky. If all she is trying to do is make some cash, there are far safer ways to go about it.

Giving access, including very personal access, is just plain dangerous. Ask Kendall Jenner or Chole Grace Moretz, who have very recently had to deal with stalkers, how real and scary this stuff is.

I don't think she's as naive as you're assuming her to be.

Like I believe I mentioned earlier, one doesn't have to present a modicum of sexual temptation to be the victim of a stalker. A few months ago I checked the sex offender registry on a whim and was amazed at how so many were in my area. I could go to any number of stores and pass one without even realizing it.

Given her business, she's likely to have a better understanding of the mindsets of these customers. And with things like the fappening where famous women had their private photos and videos stolen, it's unlikely that she hasn't weighed the risks.

And sure, the nature of said business does increase the risk that some obsessive fan crosses the line. But, practically every girl/woman I've known has had to face that threat just for being female.

There are definitely other ways to make money. For me personally, it's not that I admire what she does, but the fact that she found success in a saturated market. With so many people trying to find internet fame, those that do have to overcome some insane odds.

Side note - For years I used to dislike Bieber, but as he would get negative press for "scolding" fans for not being considerate I realized it wasn't him so much as people's obsession with him.

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Again this was less about morality (at least for me) and way more about being naive about the real world, and encouraging fringe parts of the spectrum that are...less than desirable.

Listen, there are fucked up people out there. You can read about, and research some incredibly messed up shit that happens, and women especially, being victimized.

Encouraging...less say fringe elements, as opposed to Human Trash, is super risky. If all she is trying to do is make some cash, there are far safer ways to go about it.

Giving access, including very personal access, is just plain dangerous. Ask Kendall Jenner or Chole Grace Moretz, who have very recently had to deal with stalkers, how real and scary this stuff is.

I don't think she's as naive as you're assuming her to be.

Like I believe I mentioned earlier, one doesn't have to present a modicum of sexual temptation to be the victim of a stalker. A few months ago I checked the sex offender registry on a whim and was amazed at how so many were in my area. I could go to any number of stores and pass one without even realizing it.

Given her business, she's likely to have a better understanding of the mindsets of these customers. And with things like the fappening where famous women had their private photos and videos stolen, it's unlikely that she hasn't weighed the risks.

And sure, the nature of said business does increase the risk that some obsessive fan crosses the line. But, practically every girl/woman I've known has had to face that threat just for being female.

There are definitely other ways to make money. For me personally, it's not that I admire what she does, but the fact that she found success in a saturated market. With so many people trying to find internet fame, those that do have to overcome some insane odds.

Side note - For years I used to dislike Bieber, but as he would get negative press for "scolding" fans for not being considerate I realized it wasn't him so much as people's obsession with him.

Of course nothing in life is risk free, and Male predators can go after anyone, regardless of level of fame. That goes without saying.

The risks just goes up the more you make yourself available.

She could have easily shut this down, and made light of it if she wanted. Saying "no you freaks cant buy my bath water, wtf!" in a humourous way probably would have been the better course to at least set some boundaries for the chat/subscribers.

Every stream should be somewhat controlled by the streamer, who is responsible for the content and environment they are presenting. (Take Quin and Mathil chat for example if you follow PoE streaming) Night and Day.

Again I just think this is a dangerous precedent to set for her "fans", and if she truly does understand what she is doing, then its grossly irresponsible. I actually hope it's more being naive, than dangerously greedy.

^The fallacy in your argument is that she would be responsible for somebody else breaking the law.

Or "instigated" the assault by proxy behavior.

Neither is the case, it's aking to the argument that women wearing frivolous clothes are responsible when they are sexually assaulted.

Also my point to Charan was exactly what you said, his breach of the CoC had nothing to do with morals or where his personal moral axis is.

So putting that forward as an argument is redundant.

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Me too. And people who sell used bathwater for fetish purposes. And people who buy it. And people who consume it.

Funny how we don't need to discount one for the other also to be true! It's almost like you couldn't actually disagree so you just raised the bar for what 'human trash' is when I have absolutely no obligation to clear that bar when my bar is perfectly fine for me. ^_^

As if people not living up to your personal morals allows you to call them trash in a public environment.

Disonant reasoning and an infraction on the CoC guidelines.

Peace,

-Boem-

How do you people manage to turn every funny thread into a serious conversation? What happened was gross, it should just stay at that and be joked about. These discussions you guys have would be way better to be had in real life, instead of a game forum.

The lack of entertainment is probably why GGG doesn't like it here.