[3.7] Cyclone CwC Blade Vortex CI Trickster

Since I want to go the staff route and taking a look at the build how are you suppose to get fortify without going 1h+shield? Weapon swap every seconds for shield charge?

Also how important is the last 6l for a body/staff? would you drop combustion or culling strike?
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MedianXLUltimative wrote:
Since I want to go the staff route and taking a look at the build how are you suppose to get fortify without going 1h+shield? Weapon swap every seconds for shield charge?

Also how important is the last 6l for a body/staff? would you drop combustion or culling strike?


You are not supposed to get fortify with the staff version. You could theoretically use Leap Slam, but that would be slow as f*ck. I play 1H+shield actually without fortify, 6,7K ES, and frankly it's fine.

6L is pretty important damage wise as always, but a 6L chest is actually pretty cheap if you get it with crappy mods, scour it and craft it a little bit. It only gets expensive if you want to Fossil-craft it to insanity.
Last edited by thomzon#6013 on Jun 18, 2019, 5:59:46 AM

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Are you sure you also do not have Herald of Ice enabled? or linked your auras with something? Otherwise you should be able to turn them all with your tree.


aah i linked the three auras :-S
i think that will be the problem as linking increases mana costs
thx 4 the hint
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MedianXLUltimative wrote:
Since I want to go the staff route and taking a look at the build how are you suppose to get fortify without going 1h+shield? Weapon swap every seconds for shield charge?

Also how important is the last 6l for a body/staff? would you drop combustion or culling strike?


Been running the staff version since day 1, gear below.

Just been running t15/16's with no issues, havent played in ages so this is a fun build to come back to.

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how do you handle reflect maps?
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Phrimo wrote:
how do you handle reflect maps?


by scouring
Last edited by aharm1991#1739 on Jun 18, 2019, 11:21:29 AM
This is very diffrent as i am assassin but could someone take a look at my char?

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Basically i just freestyled and i'm at T12 right now... I'm Assassin because well, i didn't knew which skill iw as gonna to take ;). Sitting at around T10-12 right now, i have no major issues but there is probably plenty of potential to make this better.
Pretty much disregard everything I did manually in pob, i never used it before and was just playing around (if there is anything on that shouldnt be ;)).

If someone would like to help/look at it that would be very nice :)
Last edited by aDoreMe#3888 on Jun 18, 2019, 3:01:50 PM
Would you mind breaking down how the conversion mechanics works?

I believe the "Extra" Damage applies to the pre-conversion base damage.
- ex. 100 Physical, 65% Physical converted to Cold, 45% Physical as Extra Cold
-- Cold Damage = 65 + 45 = 110
-- Physical Damage = 35
-- Total: 35 Physical & 110 Cold

But what happens afterwards with the % Elemental as Extra Chaos, % Non-Chaos as Extra Chaos, % Cold as Extra Fire?

Here is a list of all the "conversion" & "Extra Damage" the build gets.

Would anyone be able to show how exactly they combine?

Conversion:
- 25% of Physical to Cold (Gloves)
- 40% of Physical to Cold (Watcher's Eye - Hatred)
- 50% of Cold to Fire (Cold to Fire Support Gem)

Extra Damage:
- 15% of Physical Damage as Extra Fire (Herald of Ash Gem)
- 25% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold (Hatred)
- 20% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage during effect (Taste of Hate)
- 30% of Physical as Extra Chaos Damage during effect (Sin's Rebirth)
- 20% of Physical Damage as Extra Chaos Damage during effect (Atziri's Promise)
- 29% of Cold Damage as Extra Fire (Cold to Fire Support Gem)
- 20% of Elemental Damage as Extra Chaos Damage (Scepter)
- 8% of Elemental Damage as Extra Chaos (Eber's Unification)
- 15% of Elemental Damage as Extra Chaos Damage during effect (Atziri's Promise)
- 13% of Non-Chaos Damage as Extra Chaos Damage (Amulet)
- Chance (25%/15%/5%) of 25%/50%/100% of Non-Chaos Damage with Hits as Extra Chaos Damage (Harness the Void Ascendancy)

Last edited by Kalisstro#2494 on Jun 18, 2019, 4:15:56 PM



What do you guys think?

Hit the T5 critmulti with the regal


Worth crafting or gamble the 50-50 annul?


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Kalisstro wrote:
Would you mind breaking down how the conversion mechanics works?

I believe the "Extra" Damage applies to the pre-conversion base damage.
- ex. 100 Physical, 65% Physical converted to Cold, 45% Physical as Extra Cold
-- Cold Damage = 65 + 45 = 110
-- Physical Damage = 35
-- Total: 35 Physical & 110 Cold

But what happens afterwards with the % Elemental as Extra Chaos, % Non-Chaos as Extra Chaos, % Cold as Extra Fire?

Here is a list of all the "conversion" & "Extra Damage" the build gets.

Would anyone be able to show how exactly they combine?

Conversion:
- 25% of Physical to Cold (Gloves)
- 40% of Physical to Cold (Watcher's Eye - Hatred)
- 50% of Cold to Fire (Cold to Fire Support Gem)

Extra Damage:
- 15% of Physical Damage as Extra Fire (Herald of Ash Gem)
- 25% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold (Hatred)
- 20% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage during effect (Taste of Hate)
- 30% of Physical as Extra Chaos Damage during effect (Sin's Rebirth)
- 20% of Physical Damage as Extra Chaos Damage during effect (Atziri's Promise)
- 29% of Cold Damage as Extra Fire (Cold to Fire Support Gem)
- 20% of Elemental Damage as Extra Chaos Damage (Scepter)
- 8% of Elemental Damage as Extra Chaos (Eber's Unification)
- 15% of Elemental Damage as Extra Chaos Damage during effect (Atziri's Promise)
- 13% of Non-Chaos Damage as Extra Chaos Damage (Amulet)
- Chance (25%/15%/5%) of 25%/50%/100% of Non-Chaos Damage with Hits as Extra Chaos Damage (Harness the Void Ascendancy)



I don't get it, so basicly we should aim for more physical damage on our weapons, cus everything is based on physical damage ? The staff version is fine but what about scepter version, they don't go very high in physical dmg? We are stacking spell dmg to boost the BV dmg that's why i'm confused.
Last edited by fizo1#6088 on Jun 19, 2019, 1:48:11 AM

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