How We're Approaching the Melee Rebalance in 3.7.0

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Mark___75 wrote:

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NiobMordodrukow wrote:

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In my message i m talking about the problem in general. Sid Meier once told: "The good game is about interesting choices". He was goddamn right. And what we choose in PoB? And then in PoE, where actual gameplay is gonna be?
My most important choice this league (at the start) was to stop going killing mobs and begin to making currency in PoE trade, lol. Now i can play the game as i want to.

"The good game is about interesting choices"
This sentence is the exact reason why I like some games and some of them I hate!
This is why I have spend long time with some strategy games and this is a reason why PoE witch all those hundred active skills and massive passives tree looks so fabulous. Reality in PoE is not that fabulous - GGG is trying to force players to play the game GGG thinks is better for them, not to play it in the way players would prefer.

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NiobMordodrukow wrote:

But... If 90% of players are satisfied and just wanna see new wings, and only 10% want some changes... will GGG change anything? I dont think so. Enjoy what we have, because other way you will just waste time.

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Mark___75 wrote:

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NiobMordodrukow wrote:

But... If 90% of players are satisfied and just wanna see new wings, and only 10% want some changes... will GGG change anything? I dont think so. Enjoy what we have, because other way you will just waste time.

Hmmm yeee. The problem is, that it seems that currently GGG can hear only top players - pro-players, streamers etc., sometimes they maybe read this forum and then they may be confident that the game development goes in the right direction, while 80% of players is leaving the game after few weeks of play without any feedback and new players are even not interested to play the game optimised for wigs sale. This is why this game is on the market around 6 years and was never able to significantly increase the market share. We have now 12-20K of players playing, which is level comparable to year 2016/2017.

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Incarcerated wrote:

Yes, the core players are the ones who advise GGG. They are also the people who understand the game more than the other 90% though. Think how many people use a build guide vs how many people create their own builds. The 10% of upper tier players are the 'aspirational' level that encourages the lower 90% to be like them and learn to play better. It actually works very well if you think about it.
The 80% of players that leave after a few weeks are simply there for the race to the top or the promise of something new. Nothing will change the current statistics because those kinds of people will be pulled away by other games that are also promising something new. I know some of these people. It's like riding a ferris wheel. They play different games at different times, not getting good at any, just enjoying the new features and eventually, the wheel turns back to PoE.

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Mark___75 wrote:

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Incarcerated wrote:

Yes, the core players are the ones who advise GGG. They are also the people who understand the game more than the other 90% though. Think how many people use a build guide vs how many people create their own builds. The 10% of upper tier players are the 'aspirational' level that encourages the lower 90% to be like them and learn to play better. It actually works very well if you think about it.
The 80% of players that leave after a few weeks are simply there for the race to the top or the promise of something new. Nothing will change the current statistics because those kinds of people will be pulled away by other games that are also promising something new. I know some of these people. It's like riding a ferris wheel. They play different games at different times, not getting good at any, just enjoying the new features and eventually, the wheel turns back to PoE.

The problem is that pro-gamers see the game they are playing as a source of money and their play is not different from everyday work in the office, factory, on site, etc. Gaming is only more comfortable kind of work. Therefore expectations of professional players are different than expectations of people which starts to play a game for a pleasure, as thy can spend time in such a way 1-2 maybe 4 hours per day, typically not even every day.
This game has problems with attracting new players and with player retention, because there is not real endgame play. Ok, you can do red maps, kill Shaper, kill uber-Elder, but after few times this will not give a taste of a new experience or a surprise. This is also not true that this game cannot deliver something interesting for long time - look at the statistics - Delve was able to keep 100% of a players population for the entire month. Current league has lost 75% of players after 3 weeks.