[Official] 10-15% of players are in Standard

Word of God, 58:37

Seems like an unreasonably high margin of players to completely dump on, but what do I know. Nice to have a number, anyway.

I'd probably play Standard if:

A. It wasnt polluted by players running around with OP unnerfed legacy items. That both ruins the fun for me, and I suspect also twists the economy.
B. If GGG didnt shit on it with stuff like requiring Standard players to have 3-4 map tabs.

GGG's 3 month league cycle is too probably too short for me, and probably for a lot of other players with, yknow, jobs to pay for microtransactions. Its probably too short for GGG as well, considering the level of QA they've been evidencing.

Alas, I really feel like Standard is not a good alternative.

Probably a lot more, because he did not took into account bots "playing" in the leagues. And there are no bots in "standard".

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urza1234 wrote:

I'd probably play Standard if:

A. It wasnt polluted by players running around with OP unnerfed legacy items.

- Easy to avoid, just don't group with them.

- If you don't group with them, and it still bothers you, then this problem exists only in your head.

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Qiox wrote:

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urza1234 wrote:

I'd probably play Standard if:

A. It wasnt polluted by players running around with OP unnerfed legacy items.

- Easy to avoid, just don't group with them.

- If you don't group with them, and it still bothers you, then this problem exists only in your head.

Valid, but at the same time Fun only exists in my head as well.


I mean honestly, there are a lot of problems with the legacy item policy.
#Economy, obviously, in a number of ways
#Grouping, as you point out
#The warping of the builds of people who have them completely around them
#Dampening the fun of people like me, I doubt I'm alone in this

What are the benefits of this policy? People who exploit broken shit before it gets fixed get to keep their broken shit. Woo.

Fine keep Standard, but I dont see why there shouldnt also be a server for people who just want permanent characters on an even playing field.

Consider, SSF could exist entirely in one's head. In fact it did for years, you literally just have to not trade and not group, yet a version of every league exists for it. Thats actually less valid than a non-legacy Standard league would be, because SSF at least doesnt warp economies.

@LowBudget780
Blah blah blah, it sounds like you just have unadmitted insecurities, and randomly insulting people is the perfect scapegoat.

In addition to the tangible problems with legacy items.
I dont personally feel the need to have my builds crutch on OP legacy bullshit, but that doesnt mean I like the idea of the guy next to me in town doing everything I can do better because of it either.
I hardly see whats wrong with that, and frankly as I said I doubt I'm alone. In literally any other MMO game legacy BS would be unthinkable.

If actually nerfing and removing legacy items would cause thousands of PoE players to commit suicide en masse then fine, let them keep them. But it should would be nice to have a server where such unbalanced crap wasnt a problem as well.

Even if that didnt bother me, I still wouldnt want to play on a server where the economy is warped by these items, yet my only alternative is to beta test new mechanics for GGG with characters I dont get to keep. Yes I consider that to be sub-optimal.

I play in standard because that's where my toys are (and because the League formats haven't been interesting to me of late).

I'm sorry if my toys in Standard trigger other players I've never met. ='[.]'=

There is no such thing as a balanced environment with character progression and item accumulation over multiple years. If you remove legacy items the next thing that you will complain about is crafted gear that others have and you can not aquire because you do not have the same accumulated wealth as they do.

Leagues are the next best thing to a level playing field. At least for the first 24 hours or so.

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srogi_kotek wrote:

Probably a lot more, because he did not took into account bots "playing" in the leagues. And there are no bots in "standard".

Much less than in temp league. you don t see RMT ads on noticeboard in standard for example.

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urza1234 wrote:

I mean honestly, there are a lot of problems with the legacy item policy.
#Economy, obviously, in a number of ways
#Grouping, as you point out
#The warping of the builds of people who have them completely around them
#Dampening the fun of people like me, I doubt I'm alone in this

What are the benefits of this policy? People who exploit broken shit before it gets fixed get to keep their broken shit. Woo.

With the actual power creep you really think legacy items would impact party play that much? 10 millions dps vs 7 millions is nothing. The only legacy items that really make a difference in standard are IIQ items.