Synthesis is good, but not stability; lab disconnects aren't a skill test, they're a boredom test.

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juyevon wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

The loathsome labyrinth is still horrible content. It needs to be made optional so people can skip it if they hate that kind of game.

The content IS completlly optional and skipable. No one is forcing you to ascend your charakter.
Want do you aspect? If someone dont like the Shaper fight, than the Shaper personally come to his hideout with the item of his choise, so he can skip the fight?

The issue here is the "disconnect" between GGG's official reason for the "complete or start over" mechanic for lab, which is supposedly about a "test of skill", and the reality that lab runs frequently end early for reasons that have nothing to do with player skill (ie: technical issues). This is especially true for the first lab, which is dead easy.

This has been written about for years. By many people. And yet, GGG sticks with the line that the "finish or start over" mechanic is all about insisting that players show a certain level of skill for lab.

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

A disconnect popped up almost right away on the first attempt. A disconnect happened in the middle of the second Izaro battle the second time around.

I've played labs since they were introduced, and have yet to experience a disconnect. You may want to check your computer and more importantly the stability of your network connection to the servers. That is where the actual problem is...

The above is in not way condoning or denouncing the lab mechanics, but simply pointing out something you could do to fix the problem you're experiencing.

I hear what you're saying. But, while it's true that many people have no difficulty, it's also true that many people do. On that note, I've done a fair amount to try to fix the problem on my side. How much effort should be enough and who gets to decide that?

On a more general note, it arguably makes more sense for GGG to realize that the mechanic doesn't serve it's intended purpose (especially for normal lab) and serves mainly as an annoyance, particularly when it's inserted into the single most disliked part of the game (labyrinth).

Using all one's earned passive skill points is optional. Using chests, boots, belts, weapons, rings, etc. is optional. Using better equipment over inferior equipment is optional. Using ascendancy points are optional. Arguing that people don't have to do these things because they are optional is ridiculous and stupid and pushing a brain dead definition of optional.

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Xtorma wrote:

There is a whole bunch of optional stuff in this game people chose not to skip.

So by your standard I guess breathing is optional

Maybe you can come up with a slightly more useful definition of the word optional. You know, one that actually communicates something useful to the person you're talking with.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

There is a whole bunch of optional stuff in this game people chose not to skip.

So by your standard I guess breathing is optional

Lots of stuff listed as optional by the game developers.

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Xtorma wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

There is a whole bunch of optional stuff in this game people chose not to skip.

So by your standard I guess breathing is optional

Lots of stuff listed as optional by the game developers.

That's very interesting! Can you please point to this GGG list of optional items?

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Turtledove wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

Lots of stuff listed as optional by the game developers.

That's very interesting! Can you please point to this GGG list of optional items?

Things ggg believes are optional:
1. Balancing melee to spells in a game where nearly a third of their skills are melee
2. Making sure their skills actually work in the content they are developing (hi flicker strike)
3. Making hybrid buffers/ builds comparable to full life or full es when almost half their classes are designed to work as hybrid
4. Checking that new keystones like perfect agony are ever worth using after developing them
5. Making sure the most efficient way to get currency isn't to run level 60 zones
6. Creating content that doesn't enforce a speed meta which thereby enforces build choice in a game with apparent build "choices"
7. Having any idea what they're doing balance wise, generally