[3.5] Occultist Vortex/Cold Snap ES/CI - Deathless and Safe Uber Elder and T16's

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zaniix wrote:

Sorry I am a noob, but could one of yu explain EE a bit.

I think I get it, but if I have something like "ADD # TO # cold damage to spells, does that mean when Storm brand casts that it will also hit with cold damage and increase the cold damage resist makeing my damage less with Vortex?

I need to avoid all forms of + to cold or fire on my gear right?


thanks

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Hologram_o wrote:

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Bizzlock wrote:

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How do i use all curses at once?
I use:
- discipline
- Enlighten
- Blasphemy
- Enfeeble

I have Aspect of the spider on a ring but I dont have any mana left after I turn it on...

Would appreciate some advice :)

Hi there, I've been using OP's build for only 4 days, and I got to beat Red Elder, Shaper guardians and even Shaper deathless now, right in the first encounter (Chimera and Red Elder took me to the 2nd run for deathless) and this build has been running over Syndicate like they're nothing. I have actually never lost to Syndicate ever since level 1. I do have some problems with mana sustain early on. What I did is, I removed Blasphemy immediately, as I also run Aspect of Spider (it is a sick skill), enfeeble and discipline. So the new 4 links that I put are:

Discipline (Vaal) - Clarity (lv 4 to reduce mana reserved and still gives some flat mana regen) - cast when damage taken (lv 2) - enfeeble (lv 6)

The rest of my setup is the same as OP's recommendation. Cwdt is lv 2 to make use of enfeeble casting while avoiding overlap with Immortal Call setup with cwdt lv 1. Since this build runs into mobs all the time to deal dmg, you'll basically cast Enfeeble all the time anyway, so it's pretty much the same as Blasphemy-Enfeeble setup, but it even helps you regen your mana here. Right now I ditched Enlighten (lv 3) together with Blasphemy, and got some mana regen nodes in tree (Shaper - gives 40% mana regen rate) and some mana regen on gear, such as shield, crafted ring, and jewel (look for jewels with mana regen rate while moving and also some flat ES if you can, those are pretty cheap). Right now I have 304 mana unreserved and total of ~900 mana, and I never run out of mana again with this setup (in fact, my mana almost regens instantly, with roughly 72 mana regen per sec when I move).

In fact, for those who struggle with keeping mana up, I do make this suggestion for OP as well, if you can afford Discipline + Enfeeble + Aspect of the Spider all at the same time.

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The One Ring
From: sikker on Feb 24, 2019, 9:01:19 AM
To: Lysithea
Hey. I saw your Vortex build and was quite impressed with the amount of ES you managed to squeeze out. Also interesting idea with The Vigil+Vigilant strike in cwdt (though I don't fully understand how Ancestral call helps there?).

The main thing that I am wring about though, is that ring of yours: Phoenix Gyre. How did you manage to get both Aspect of the Spider and Increased Energy Shield from Body Armor on that thing? The Aspect is something you'd normally get from a syndicate chest, and the Inc ES from BA would be a delve fossil mod. How did you get that insane ring? :)

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sikker wrote:

Thanks. But that leaves another question: How does your Fortify last 30+ secs? 12 secs from jewel and +50% tree. And then?

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Covenant wrote:

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zaniix wrote:

Sorry I am a noob, but could one of yu explain EE a bit.

I think I get it, but if I have something like "ADD # TO # cold damage to spells, does that mean when Storm brand casts that it will also hit with cold damage and increase the cold damage resist makeing my damage less with Vortex?

I need to avoid all forms of + to cold or fire on my gear right?


thanks

Adds # to # cold damage to spells is a disaster, you would need another weapon. (or a lucky annul) %increased cold damage is good, added is bad. As discussed, add # to # cold damage on weapon is for attacks only. # to # cold damage anywhere is probably also a disaster, to be avoided.

The reason is we want say, storm brand to hit rapidly with lightning damage. Every hit the target gets +25% lightning resist, and -50% cold and fire resist. This is a massive more multiplier on anything that isn't one-shot. If you add # cold damage you instead get from storm brand, +25% lightning resist, +25% cold resist, and -50% fire resist. So you just went from a 7L to a 4L, or worse.

Fire damage doesn't really matter much at all. We don't scale it, and if storm brand does any fire damage you get +25% lightning resist, +25% fire resist, -50% cold resist which is still fine. Avoid all three, as it is +25% resist to all three elements if you do.

Note that the entire point is cold dot ticks do not apply EE, only hits. The initial vortex hit is bad, but it is just once. Storm brand hits very fast, so most ticks will be at -50%.