[3.5] Occultist Vortex/Cold Snap ES/CI - Deathless and Safe Uber Elder and T16's

The use of Elemental Equlibrium is divided by about 50% when you look at poe.ninja's overview.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?class=Occultist&skill=Vortex&sort=dps

So it seems to me there is a huge uncertainity among players if EE is actually the best thing for the build or not.

In the first post OP advocates for using EE:

"Elemental Equilibrium Proc and Cold Debuff - Main Hand 3 Link

This is an awesome feature of this build. This uses a new mechanic in 3.5 to make any item a pseudo Poets Pen. We do this with our main hand weapon, and make sure the weapon has the affix "Trigger a Socketed Spell when you Use a Skill" then inside it put Frost Bomb to shred their cold resists and debuff them, as well as Orb of Storms and Storm Brand to proc Elemental Equilibrium with their lightning damage, massively increasing our damage. These skills DO NOT have to be linked. "


My thought is that if you want predictable consistent damage you dont take EE, while using EE will result in a spiky damage curve the you never really know when is at max or when is at low damage.

Then what I don't understand is why the builds that are not specced into EE uses Storm Brand and Orb of Storms in their weapons, f. ex this top damae low life guy. One answer can be that he only speccs into EE vs hard bosses like Uber Elder and Aul where EE's uptime will be more consistent.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/alsiel/NIkaidou_Shinku?i=0&search=class%3DOccultist%26skill%3DVortex%26keystone%3D!Elemental-Equilibrium%26sort%3Ddps

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Last edited by Dkodr#6088 on Mar 22, 2019, 3:09:50 AM
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Dkodr wrote:
The use of Elemental Equlibrium is divided by about 50% when you look at poe.ninja's overview.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?class=Occultist&skill=Vortex&sort=dps

So it seems to me there is a huge uncertainity among players if EE is actually the best thing for the build or not.

In the first post OP advocates for using EE:

"Elemental Equilibrium Proc and Cold Debuff - Main Hand 3 Link

This is an awesome feature of this build. This uses a new mechanic in 3.5 to make any item a pseudo Poets Pen. We do this with our main hand weapon, and make sure the weapon has the affix "Trigger a Socketed Spell when you Use a Skill" then inside it put Frost Bomb to shred their cold resists and debuff them, as well as Orb of Storms and Storm Brand to proc Elemental Equilibrium with their lightning damage, massively increasing our damage. These skills DO NOT have to be linked. "


My thought is that if you want predictable consistent damage you dont take EE, while using EE will result in a spiky damage curve the you never really know when is at max or when is at low damage.

Then what I don't understand is why the builds that are not specced into EE uses Storm Brand and Orb of Storms in their weapons, f. ex this top damae low life guy. One answer can be that he only speccs into EE vs hard bosses like Uber Elder and Aul where EE's uptime will be more consistent.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/alsiel/NIkaidou_Shinku?i=0&search=class%3DOccultist%26skill%3DVortex%26keystone%3D!Elemental-Equilibrium%26sort%3Ddps



Even without EE you could be using Storm Brand + Orb to very consistently proc Elemental Overload since Vortex + Cold Snap can only trigger it on their initial hit and not with the DoT.
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sutasafaia wrote:


Even without EE you could be using Storm Brand + Orb to very consistently proc Elemental Overload since Vortex + Cold Snap can only trigger it on their initial hit and not with the DoT.
Yea ofc, I forgot about that.
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Dkodr wrote:
The use of Elemental Equlibrium is divided by about 50% when you look at poe.ninja's overview.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?class=Occultist&skill=Vortex&sort=dps

So it seems to me there is a huge uncertainity among players if EE is actually the best thing for the build or not.

In the first post OP advocates for using EE:

"Elemental Equilibrium Proc and Cold Debuff - Main Hand 3 Link

This is an awesome feature of this build. This uses a new mechanic in 3.5 to make any item a pseudo Poets Pen. We do this with our main hand weapon, and make sure the weapon has the affix "Trigger a Socketed Spell when you Use a Skill" then inside it put Frost Bomb to shred their cold resists and debuff them, as well as Orb of Storms and Storm Brand to proc Elemental Equilibrium with their lightning damage, massively increasing our damage. These skills DO NOT have to be linked. "


My thought is that if you want predictable consistent damage you dont take EE, while using EE will result in a spiky damage curve the you never really know when is at max or when is at low damage.

Then what I don't understand is why the builds that are not specced into EE uses Storm Brand and Orb of Storms in their weapons, f. ex this top damae low life guy. One answer can be that he only speccs into EE vs hard bosses like Uber Elder and Aul where EE's uptime will be more consistent.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/alsiel/NIkaidou_Shinku?i=0&search=class%3DOccultist%26skill%3DVortex%26keystone%3D!Elemental-Equilibrium%26sort%3Ddps



Yeah, but is there a real downside to it? You save 1 passive from not taking it? (since you need to path down there anyway).

But fro other hand you get a few positives from it:
1. Reliable damage boost when fighting bosses - the only and main place where actually need a dmg boost! Since on bosses, boss should have permanent -cold res% debuf, with storm brands sticking to them.
2. Reliable way to proc Elemental Overload.
I'm having trouble keeping my mana up with aspect of spider(with Enfeeble-Blasphemy + Discipline), even with enlighten 3. Any advices? :)
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Mafq wrote:
I have another stupid question, i haven't switched to CI yet, but have like 1200 health, the only thing that ever kills me is stuff like poison dots and what not, but they appear to not affect my energy shield, just my hp...i'm a noob so switching to 1 hp and immunity to chaos, poison still will kill me?

*edit*
i'll leave this up for stupidity reminder, i just saw it was chaos damage lol, things are usually moving too fast for me to check.



When you switch to CI, you become completely immune to anything chaos (poison included). Just be sure you have that ascendancy node that gives you stun immunity and craft a "removes frozen" on a flask (you should get freeze immune ascendancy in uber lab). I run with 2 quartz, 1 quicksilver, 1 granite, and the last i rarely use but mine is a stibnite.

With the flat ES you get from those two occultist nodes, with a cheap 150 shield and a heretic veil (my preference, it's super cheap and makes my enfeeble blasphemy cheaper) you would have a ton of ES without any investment. Also, 4link chest piece with tons of ES > 5link or even 6link with no ES
I'm not to the point where I can make all of my gems 20% quality just yet. Is there a general order what would be better to get qualitied up first and foremost before other gems?
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In case people are interested in a slightly different version with nearly the same surviveability but a lot more dps, you can have a look at my profile, it's public.




I dropped minion nodes, grabbed aura nodes, grabbed malevolence, running alongside disc and spider aura, and a clarity - no mana issues whatsoever. Still got some upgrades left - mainly a proper crafted weapon - but already sitting on 800k vortex DoT in PoB on Shaper.

Surviving Uber Elder shaper smashes, so pretty much game over.



Cheers!
Gave me an idea of using Doedre's Scorn as a auro enfeeble.. with Vixen gloves as extra curse + shield leech.
Combine this with Witchfire = big deeps!
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falagar112 wrote:
In case people are interested in a slightly different version with nearly the same surviveability but a lot more dps, you can have a look at my profile, it's public.



I dropped minion nodes, grabbed aura nodes, grabbed malevolence, running alongside disc and spider aura, and a clarity - no mana issues whatsoever. Still got some upgrades left - mainly a proper crafted weapon - but already sitting on 800k vortex DoT in PoB on Shaper.

Surviving Uber Elder shaper smashes, so pretty much game over.


Nice, I like it. Probably gonna copy your tree :) Tyty
Last edited by Sjabo#1292 on Mar 22, 2019, 11:25:47 AM
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feelthepain wrote:
I'm having trouble keeping my mana up with aspect of spider(with Enfeeble-Blasphemy + Discipline), even with enlighten 3. Any advices? :)


50% mana regen on amulet
Shaper skillpoint
The manaregen/ES per maximum mana north of the starting point
Mana regen on rings/shields is also very cheap if your patient in poe trade live searching.
2% mana/life per second if hiten recently is also huge and imho the life is working also for energy shield regen.
Last edited by Enterich#3356 on Mar 22, 2019, 11:27:29 AM

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