[3.6] The Blizz Sorc - Icestorm/Winter Orb CI Occultist - Viable For Everything

Do you think WO is still better than scorching ray?
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Kelvynn wrote:
Yep, that about sums it. I expected more from WO. But it's still OK, especially that it breaks baskets :)) It replaced Orb of Storms as a source of hits and crits. And I've seen it trigger HoI explosions with Frigid Wake, so it does help with clear speed a little.

I'm currently using lv 1 because of the mana issues. But as soon as I get enchanted boots or 2nd curse I'll use a high level one in a 4L staff.

Actually, i just tried pure winter orb with tabula that i got as lucky drop...
And it's actually super AMAZING.

The problems are:
1) mana issues (would be solved with boot enchant. Right now using mana leech gem)
2) Duration... meh, it ends too fast. I'm experimenting right now with duration and cast speed gems. Will update my opinion soon.

But in obliterationg trash it passes in flying colors, if only not that duration problem, then this build could beat his only half-problem - long wind up in clear speed. With winter orb we could clear speed by runnig through like speed-builds, and still have tankiness on boss just by switching staff in hand. I'm slightly pumped up :)
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Tecken1407 wrote:
Do you think WO is still better than scorching ray?

It's not about better or worse, scourching ray is useless for us, without fire conversion, so ANYTHING will be better than scourching ray :)

But if we use fire conversion to get -24% fire res, then we will lose -25% cold res from frost bomb, so it was same trade in the first place.
I'll just say, i don't know how it will be in maps, but right now i even had a leisure to link winter orb with onslaught to improve movement speed. Damn that's a good clear. I have much better opinion of this now.

I advice you to try it as swap weapon strategy :)

P.S. The more i use it, the more i like it. Oh my god, it's SO GOOD! Why i never tried it before?
Just bought cheap corrupted 6link staff for it, now i'm happy as hell :)
Last edited by Med1umentor#6844 on Dec 10, 2018, 12:20:17 PM
No offense to the OP but for me the build just isn't working. I have a feeling this is more of luxury build and definitely not a starter. With a few edits and theory crafting I think this build could be really great but I gave up on it at act 5. Even after getting a max roll whispering ice staff my dps was horrible and almost all syndicate encounters resulted in me dying a bunch of times.Leveling was truly a horrible experience for me.

The bright side is at least I didn't finish all the acts before realizing the build needs some work,so starting a new character won't take long to recoup my lost time testing this build out. In its current for I don't think I would recommend this build atm.
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Beverast wrote:
No offense to the OP but for me the build just isn't working. I have a feeling this is more of luxury build and definitely not a starter. With a few edits and theory crafting I think this build could be really great but I gave up on it at act 5. Even after getting a max roll whispering ice staff my dps was horrible and almost all syndicate encounters resulted in me dying a bunch of times.Leveling was truly a horrible experience for me.

The bright side is at least I didn't finish all the acts before realizing the build needs some work,so starting a new character won't take long to recoup my lost time testing this build out. In its current for I don't think I would recommend this build atm.

Build don't need "some work". Act 5... build didn't even started at that point. If you have problem with leveling it's entirely different thing.
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Med1umentor wrote:

Because winter orb is useless shit. Sorry for my language.

I'm so bummed, i was so excited waiting for winter orb, thought that it will be better for our clear potential.

But nope, kelvynn probably thinks same way. So winter orb becomes only just for additional hits for triggering elemental overlord etc, lvl 1 is enough

P.S. You know, the only thing that i like about winter orb is how it targets destroyable objects, i usually just skip them :)
But, you know, if the only thing that i like about skill is this, then this skill sucks xD
I saw some winter orb action that fired projectiles like crazy. But i think it have to do with cooldown reduction, etc. Not for this build, sadly.


The build you've seen was a pure Winter Orb build that goes GMP together with all other supports linked to it. It will have tons more projectiles and deal a huge amount of damage, but you can't do that with this build, because GMP does nothing for Ice Storm and cutting on your Ice Storm damage to make your bad orb a little better is not a smart move. If anyone wants that, go full orb and it'll be absolutely fine.

If you wanted to CwC with winter orb with a spell that compliments it: Ice Spear, or even Actic Breath if you want some degen thrown in.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
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Xavathos wrote:
The build you've seen was a pure Winter Orb build that goes GMP together with all other supports linked to it. It will have tons more projectiles and deal a huge amount of damage, but you can't do that with this build, because GMP does nothing for Ice Storm and cutting on your Ice Storm damage to make your bad orb a little better is not a smart move. If anyone wants that, go full orb and it'll be absolutely fine.

If you wanted to CwC with winter orb with a spell that compliments it: Ice Spear, or even Actic Breath if you want some degen thrown in.

Thx, cap. For saying exactly what i said before.
And "shooting like crazy" i was talking about rate of fire, not ammount of projectiles, obviously.

Anyway, winter orb without any addition to our tree or equip is doing majesticly good just on swap weapon, so i'm in good mood. :)
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Med1umentor wrote:
Thx, cap. For saying exactly what i said before.
And "shooting like crazy" i was talking about rate of fire, not ammount of projectiles, obviously.

Anyway, winter orb without any addition to our tree or equip is doing majesticly good just on swap weapon, so i'm in good mood. :)


You're welcome... first mate? Obviously.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.
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Beverast wrote:
No offense to the OP but for me the build just isn't working. I have a feeling this is more of luxury build and definitely not a starter. With a few edits and theory crafting I think this build could be really great but I gave up on it at act 5. Even after getting a max roll whispering ice staff my dps was horrible and almost all syndicate encounters resulted in me dying a bunch of times.Leveling was truly a horrible experience for me.

The bright side is at least I didn't finish all the acts before realizing the build needs some work,so starting a new character won't take long to recoup my lost time testing this build out. In its current for I don't think I would recommend this build atm.


That is kind of offensive though, as you've not even given it a chance yet. Even the OP says that leveling is a pain. If you've played PoE for any length of time or ever made a CI build before, you'd know this to be true.

Except this build does much better than most in that it scales on int, int also gives you ES and you get your end-game weapon at 33, which is great from 39 and onward.

In any case, up to you to drop it or not, but you ain't seen nothing yet.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more.

'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league.
Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave.

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