[3.17] Beginner Friendly Arc Mines Guide | All Content on 5L | Lvling Guide

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jabeleta wrote:

hi @blackdeath101, i see u are a experienced miner, and iam starting now..atm lvl 58 with my first arc miner..imma gonna use this build as league starter next league..so..i want to ask u something.

1. Correct. Life or Life + MoM can be used all the way through end-game (see hyperstoned). But LL is far superior in terms of damage and survivability once you have the currency. LL feels so bad without a few uniques and solid ES gear.
2. Arc just doesn't feel great for single target. My personal preference for league start is whatever into GC just because it covers the whole screen, does decent single target, and chills when my gear sucks. LL + Ball Lightning has been absolutely destructive for me once I switched. So yea.. your skill preference is up to you. Try checking poe.ninja to see what other players use as their mine skills and try it for yourself to see which you prefer.

I've got my eyes on that new Kinetic skill with mines, but not planning anything until patch notes. I want to do summoner and I want to do mines.. but I have no idea which one will survive the league nerfs :P

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blackdeath101 wrote:

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jabeleta wrote:

hi @blackdeath101, i see u are a experienced miner, and iam starting now..atm lvl 58 with my first arc miner..imma gonna use this build as league starter next league..so..i want to ask u something.

1. Correct. Life or Life + MoM can be used all the way through end-game (see hyperstoned). But LL is far superior in terms of damage and survivability once you have the currency. LL feels so bad without a few uniques and solid ES gear.
2. Arc just doesn't feel great for single target. My personal preference for league start is whatever into GC just because it covers the whole screen, does decent single target, and chills when my gear sucks. LL + Ball Lightning has been absolutely destructive for me once I switched. So yea.. your skill preference is up to you. Try checking poe.ninja to see what other players use as their mine skills and try it for yourself to see which you prefer.

I've got my eyes on that new Kinetic skill with mines, but not planning anything until patch notes. I want to do summoner and I want to do mines.. but I have no idea which one will survive the league nerfs :P

hahahaa yeah..i got it..necro is too good right?! lel

Will work in delirium league?

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Deadpoooool wrote:

Will work in delirium league?

Most likely yes, but really need to wait until patch notes before we know for sure. If they decide to nerf the hell out of mines or remove mines altogether, then it won't exactly work in new league.

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blackdeath101 wrote:

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Pandaroux wrote:

Have to change the weapon, but it's good engouh. For a dps upgrade, I need to pay 10+ex though.

Should be level 20 Vaal Discipline instead of Discipline. You'll want that toggle ES recharge for emergency ES regen.
Life flask shouldn't be needed. Wise Oak instead for 15% ele pen and a little bit of ele damage reduction.
No freeze removal on flasks, probably use that on Diamond and either hope you outleech bleeds or Vaal Disc through them. Can use corrupted blood jewels, but can be fairly expensive for good ones. I've TP'd out with some high stack bleeds before.
Quality on Ball Lightning adds a bit. Getting both 21/20 adds like 10% damage for 1.5 ex.
Belt could use some more ES like ES % or ES from body armor, but will only take you to like 9k ES for a few exalts probably. Your call.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Metamorph/aVLneLaTe
Only PoB'd 2 items from that search. There is currently a 70c wand that you can replace the crit multi craft with trigger socketed spells. Slight DPS upgrade not including the frenzy charges, VD leech, or whatever else you put into the sockets to replace CWDT set-up. Just be careful with ele reflect maps.

Had the vaal disc lvl 19 leveling in spare sockets. It's ready now.
Life flask was just equiped in ho to change aura, I got a wise oak. My bad linking it.
I will see what I can do about the weapon. Thanks

Tried this build last 3 days since i achieved 36 but honestly i think it isnt for me, placing mines and detonating them twice then moving/while moving is just .. not fun? i guess. i tried hyperzoned build as much similarity as i could. its tanky and good single target but clearing maps fast isnt really happening

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thegreatestviz wrote:

Tried this build last 3 days since i achieved 36 but honestly i think it isnt for me, placing mines and detonating them twice then moving/while moving is just .. not fun? i guess. i tried hyperzoned build as much similarity as i could. its tanky and good single target but clearing maps fast isnt really happening

Tremor Rod isn't the end all be all. Definitely the strongest single target, but I did the whole league without one. It just means you can't use Kaom's so your life pool suffers. Which is why I usually push people with currency towards LL and to experiment with other skills. I can drop my GC or Ball Lightning mines, detonate them, and then basically "ride them" as they kill stuff before dropping more.

If you don't want to invest into trying it out, I'd recommend finding some YT videos of LL mines as they can clear pretty fast. Nothing like HH or Flicker, but fairly quick for 8-10k ES and under 10-15 ex.

Would glacial cascade work as a substitute for Ice spear on single target?

My quick review of 3.10 patch notes with mines:

Some pretty strong cluster jewels possibilities for mines depending on the minor points that go to it. And since pretty much every miner takes Volatile Mines, we have an accessible jewel there (the one near Minion Instability is better for LL miners). I prefer Minefield, so mostly Surprising Sabotage, Guerilla Tactics, and maybe some of the non-mine nodes for ES or life. +100 ES notable is 500 max ES for my LL miner.
Base mine throwing speed increased by 0.05 seconds.
Precision nerfed by 20% crit at level 1, so will be debatable on leveling it or skipping it for other stuff.
Pyroclast mine lost a lot of extra projectiles and +2 enchant.
A lot of early game cheap Temple upgrades got nerfed. My LL miner lost a few hundred ES from jewelry ES % mods.
Enduring Mana flask got nerfed (shocked). Faster, less recovered, and no longer queues in succession. So for people like me that spammed mana pot, be a bit more cautious.
A bunch of changes to higher end crafting and fossil crafting which may influence trade prices.

And with the changes to Crown of Eyes and wand attacks, I'm probably going to level as a wander into wander miner and then switch out to Ball Miner if it sucks too much. Was thinking about Elemental stacking, but physical conversion might be the play with some of the other stuff they changed. Market might be too difficult though with so many people wanting to play wander >.<

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Mrtnlegenden wrote:

Would glacial cascade work as a substitute for Ice spear on single target?

I used GC as both single and AoE skill. You have to give up 1-2 jewel slots for GC conversion jewels and it clears perfectly fine. If you want other options for Ice Spear, try Ball Lightning. Pyroclast probably still good, but I'm not a fan and not sure after nerf.